Is there any specific name for this electronica drum beat?

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outrogiovane
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5 posts since 26 Jan, 2022

Post Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:18 pm

Hi. I'm trying to write ambient pop like Sleep by Conjure One and I'm struggling with the drums part. I know it's a common beat in the electronica genre (sounds a lot like many of William Orbit's stuff), but search for "electronica drums" or "ambient drums" doesn't bring anything like it. Is there any specific name for this kind of mid-tempo drum beat? Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e418zcS0gc

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KVRist
116 posts since 19 Feb, 2022

Post Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:51 pm

I’d call this type of drum groove an offbeat groove. Breakbeats are a genre that use these types of offbeat grooves at a faster tempo. Lo-fi also uses them at slower tempos.

The idea is your kick isn’t “four-on-the-floor” syncopated on every downbeat of a 4/4 time signature, i.e. it’s “off the downbeat

Searching YouTube for “Offbeat drum grooves” gives mostly acoustic drums vs software/DAW-based, but the concept is the same. You’d probably have to search for something more common like lo-fi, breakbeats, etc.

In this video at 1:19, the drummer plays at a lower tempo and kinda sounds like the groove in the video you linked:

https://youtu.be/YUXbyF_1rvg

6:40 in this vid also:

https://youtu.be/Ig99cEekJiQ

outrogiovane
KVRer
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5 posts since 26 Jan, 2022

Post Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:28 pm

i need Help wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:51 pm I’d call this type of drum groove an offbeat groove. Breakbeats are a genre that use these types of offbeat grooves at a faster tempo. Lo-fi also uses them at slower tempos.

The idea is your kick isn’t “four-on-the-floor” syncopated on every downbeat of a 4/4 time signature, i.e. it’s “off the downbeat

Searching YouTube for “Offbeat drum grooves” gives mostly acoustic drums vs software/DAW-based, but the concept is the same. You’d probably have to search for something more common like lo-fi, breakbeats, etc.

In this video at 1:19, the drummer plays at a lower tempo and kinda sounds like the groove in the video you linked:

https://youtu.be/YUXbyF_1rvg

6:40 in this vid also:

https://youtu.be/Ig99cEekJiQ
Definitely useful! Thanks for taking the time to reply

iHartBeats
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85 posts since 13 May, 2012 from Canada

Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:55 pm

It's called a 'breakbeat'.

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thecontrolcentre
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33307 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:43 pm

iHartBeats wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:55 pm It's called a 'breakbeat'.
AKA The Amen Break and The Funky Drummer

outrogiovane
KVRer
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5 posts since 26 Jan, 2022

Post Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:54 pm

iHartBeats wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:55 pm It's called a 'breakbeat'.
thecontrolcentre wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:43 pm
iHartBeats wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:55 pm It's called a 'breakbeat'.
AKA [url=<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=am ... VIRE</span>]The Amen Break[/url] and [url=<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ja ... VIRE</span>]The Funky Drummer[/url]
Thanks! I knew breakbeat superficially, but I assumed it was limited to sampling drums rather than translating the groove to electronic ones.

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Propellerhands
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128 posts since 9 Apr, 2020

Post Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am

I used to just pick "Drum and Bass" loops from Reason library and just change tempo to 90-100 instead of 160-170 and the result was always this nice downtempo beat.

So OP, just look for drum&bass loops and pitch them down :), or if they are Rex files, just change tempo.
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iHartBeats
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85 posts since 13 May, 2012 from Canada

Post Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:24 am

thecontrolcentre wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:43 pm AKA The Amen Break and The Funky Drummer


Those are a couple examples of common sample source breakbeats, but there's 100's of other examples too. Breakbeats can also be programmed, they don't need to be sampled.

Just providing this info for OP for the full picture.

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_leras
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1802 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:40 am

iHartBeats wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:55 pm It's called a 'breakbeat'.
Yes, it's this. Breakbeat. Also sped up for dnb.

There's a pdf here that looks great for drum patterns.

https://shittyrecording.studio/

outrogiovane
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5 posts since 26 Jan, 2022

Post Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:59 am

_leras wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:40 am
iHartBeats wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:55 pm It's called a 'breakbeat'.
Yes, it's this. Breakbeat. Also sped up for dnb.

There's a pdf here that looks great for drum patterns.

https://shittyrecording.studio/
So useful! Thank you very much

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_leras
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1802 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:23 am

It looks like a really good reference to different grooves or things to try out. Anyway don't thank me, I just came across it as I was looking for a link to what I would say was the base pattern...

I'd have said that this was the kick snare for 16 steps, with hh to taste.

Kxxx Sxxx xxKx SxKx

But that pdf seems much better. :tu:

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_leras
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1802 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Sat Oct 01, 2022 11:34 am

Actually... The pdf seems great...

But... It's seems to be missing the last Kick drum that i put above, in nearly all the break patterns...

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legendCNCD
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1383 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc

Post Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:40 am

Propellerhands wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am I used to just pick "Drum and Bass" loops from Reason library and just change tempo to 90-100 instead of 160-170 and the result was always this nice downtempo beat.

So OP, just look for drum&bass loops and pitch them down :), or if they are Rex files, just change tempo.
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