4.3.8 is up

[] Peter:H []

But we know that they are the size of a startup, maybe 20-30 employees.

I tried to find bitwigs company balance sheet. They are a "limited" in germany and therefore they have to publish their balance stuff (for the germans: goto "https://www.bundesanzeiger.de"). for 31.12.2021 the company balance sheet shows around 1.3Mio equity (+100K compared to 2020) ... I would say it's a smaller company. though you cannot exactly tell how many employees they have based on the balance sheet ...
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Update: It's interesting to sneak into abletons information ... in 2020 they paid 28.022.062,96 Euro in salaries (21.870.027,13 in 2019)

[pdxindy]

Live was going 20 years before it added Ghost clips

When did Live add Ghost clips? I never heard about that being added.

Your right, I was thinking of Scene Follow Actions which was also always requested, never really understood the need for 'Ghost Clips' (I probably have it wrong again) but it seems from the descriptions I have read it's something you can easily do with copy and paste?

Copy paste makes independent copies. 'Ghost Clips' are connected and if you edit one all get edited.

[pdxindy]

all DAWS seem pretty stable now.

Not all DAW's have Bitwig's plugin sandboxing.

If a plugin crashes in Live, it will still take down the whole application.

[ElVincente]

I should start to port my M4L devices to PlugData in case the Grid isn't ideal. If Plug Data would support CLAP, the world would be even more perfect.
My main reason though, why I prefer Bitwig by magnitudes, is its simply inspiring. Live never got me hooked, not even before Bitwig arrived...

Hi Tj,
I have seen Bidule has CLAP compatibility, couldn't that be a replacement for MAX/PlugData on some level ?

[Tj Shredder]

Yes, I guess so. I am on the fence with Bidule, they have all kinds of sales for their chip sounds, but never for Bidule… I bet as soon I order it……

[ElVincente]

I have been lucky enough to find a second hand licence here (became nfr then).... Maybe you'll be too.

[] Peter:H []

I should start to port my M4L devices to PlugData in case the Grid isn't ideal. If Plug Data would support CLAP, the world would be even more perfect.
My main reason though, why I prefer Bitwig by magnitudes, is its simply inspiring. Live never got me hooked, not even before Bitwig arrived...

Hi Tj,
I have seen Bidule has CLAP compatibility, couldn't that be a replacement for MAX/PlugData on some level ?

Can you share a link where the CLAP implementation details of Bidule are shared? Did they just wrap that CLAP to VST wrapper around it? then it loads as CLAP but does not offer more functionality than VST does. It's just another API for just them same.
And when I read through https://www.plogue.com/bidule/latest/ I don't see that Bidule itself is CLAP, but it "Added preliminary CLAP hosting" with their Version 0.9781 (July 12th, 2022) ... There's no Bidule as CLAP Version mentioned on their release notes page.

[ElVincente]

I have yet to find the time to fiddle with all those. So I have the same informations as you... And indeed, it's clap hosting not bidule as clap plugin... and I don't know how they peovided it.
Bidule as clap with polymodulations would be nice though ! Dreaming I guess

[pdxindy]

I have yet to find the time to fiddle with all those. So I have the same informations as you... And indeed, it's clap hosting not bidule as clap plugin... and I don't know how they peovided it.
Bidule as clap with polymodulations would be nice though ! Dreaming I guess

Bidule seems like a lot of complexity to add to Bitwig which is already so capable

[ElVincente]

I was thinking of it as kind of when you want even more low level stuff, or fft processing. Frankly, I really don't know what I'm talking about though.

[SLiC]

all DAWS seem pretty stable now.

Not all DAW's have Bitwig's plugin sandboxing.

If a plugin crashes in Live, it will still take down the whole application.

This is true, but I have never had a VST take down Live either....I honestly can't remember the last time I had a DAW crash for any reason, maybe I'm just lucky!

[shaboogen]

They only announced "2 new tutorial videos" ... https://www.bitwig.com/de/stories/learn ... nline-214/
Then there's Amsterdam Dance Event and beat con in October as well.
I think it will be earliest begining of November that they announce a new version.

BTW: Funny the latest "press" article is about Clap ... i.e. not really a press article. And the article before that from "Sound on Sound" is from 2021 ... I don't know. Is BW still growing or just stagnating in a niche... The latest series of regressions ( fast releases 4.3.5 - 4.3.8 ) is troubling me a bit as well.

Fair call I was wrong about Imsta Fest (probably should have read the article it linked to).

The ADE article seems fairly definitive IMO.

https://www.bitwig.com/stories/amsterda ... -come-216/

Come by our ADE booth in the Gear Test Lab to catch up on the latest version of Bitwig Studio, and we'll show you how you can use our software to make, record, remix and perform music. See you there!

I would be extremely shocked if a new version wasn't announced by October 19th. Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if one was announced ahead of Beat Con, though the description is less definitive.

As for stagnation, what DAW maker is iterating faster than they are currently? Whether you agree with their direction or not is up to you, but it feels extremely unfair to accuse them of being stagnant.

[] Peter:H []

As for stagnation, what DAW maker is iterating faster than they are currently? Whether you agree with their direction or not is up to you, but it feels extremely unfair to accuse them of being stagnant.

I just evaluate my Use of Bitwig right now in order to decide what to do. Stay or go.
And I try to bring in many perspectives. I spend some money and some time to learn Bitwig. I'm mostly impressed by it, but comparing to Cubase it has some white spots. So Features is one aspect for me. Later releases were not so thrilling for me personally. I found my self not using grid a lot ... though I like modular. So I asked why is that? Might be I'm stupid. Might be Grid is not for me, but for another target group. Another aspect is the direction to where the company is heading, is it growing, marketing (is Circle really a thing?), the community (growing, stagnating, type of people who use Bitwig), bitwigs managing of communities, press coverage (increasing, stable on a low/mod/high niveau, decreasing), software quality (regressions, bug time to fix) ... I just want to look at many aspects... Right now, I'm still using Bitwig as my main DAW, but let's see what the next releases bring.
Anyway: In my last post was about "press coverage" as a metric for how relevant Bitwig is in the media, i.e. how many people are interested...

[Buckster]

4.3.9 is out - have to say though I'm not sure how I feel about what seems to be a new direction regarding added features. Doesn't on initial look feel like what I signed up for when I choose a few months back to renew my annual plan. Wondered what other people's thoughts are ?

Annual plan is for Bitwig "Studio" ? If this is new direction then I almost feel like requesting a refund of my plan and roll back to 4.2

My thought was that in general the annual plan was not for bug fixes which should be covered anyway but more for to pay for new features and new versions ?

[trollology]

Bug fixes are not guaranteed to be included in your 1 year plan, but features that you don't know about. So you only buy the product as it is in the present, and the added 1 year is just a bonus you should not care about just as your salary's bonus could be denied any time.
You, the customer fund some developers as if you were an investor, but without having any say in the product. Nice try Bitwig. What do you think about this paradigm change pdxindy, and others?