[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan

[MrRodent]

okay guys they respond quick
got a message from them

they will introduce another upgrade plan

so in the future you can choose between to upgrade price -plans
the bigger ones = will have all addons included
the little ones = just daw workstation features but without future addons

no prices mentioned but it makes sense
look like Reason addon shop to me

This is the first mention I can find anyone saying Bitwig themselves have stated two differnt plans, that we have now started calling the higher tier "Suite".

Think we need to be cautious what we are believing.

This person has been trolling in this thread all the time and claiming to be a trainee in Gearnews (which was denied by Gearnews themselves).

I advise not to listen to any word that they say.

no i say it again to clarify this
i not work for a website that called "gearnews"

i work for a magazine as a trainee thats about news about gear

so i accidently wrote gearnews but i mean news about gear
i dont know that exist a website that called gearnews before

i wrote him and apolgize for that
that was a mistake from me

so again = i dont work for gearnews

Quit your bullshit and stop trying to save your ass. Nobody believed you. Anyone can search this thread and find you being quoted:
"i work for a news magazine as a trainee called gearnews"

Even if you deleted/edited the original post by now.

[Greenstorm33]

I've been thinking some thoughts and I feel like this would have gone over much better if they'd released it at the same time as a good 4.4 or 5 update. Something that includes common user requests like MSEG, MIDI comping/retroactive recording, etc. That way everybody gets something they want even if they don't pay the extra. But nope, we are months out from the most recent substantial update and days after a big sale where none of us had any idea they were going to pull the rug out from under us.

[Buckster]

Emailed them yesterday - haven't had a response as of yet

[musikarldererste]

okay guys they respond quick
got a message from them

they will introduce another upgrade plan

so in the future you can choose between to upgrade price -plans
the bigger ones = will have all addons included
the little ones = just daw workstation features but without future addons

no prices mentioned but it makes sense
look like Reason addon shop to me

This is the first mention I can find anyone saying Bitwig themselves have stated two differnt plans, that we have now started calling the higher tier "Suite".

Think we need to be cautious what we are believing.

This person has been trolling in this thread all the time and claiming to be a trainee in Gearnews (which was denied by Gearnews themselves).

I advise not to listen to any word that they say.

no i say it again to clarify this
i not work for a website that called "gearnews"

i work for a magazine as a trainee thats about news about gear

so i accidently wrote gearnews but i mean news about gear
i dont know that exist a website that called gearnews before

i wrote him and apolgize for that
that was a mistake from me

so again = i dont work for gearnews

Quit your bullshit and stop trying to save your ass. Nobody believed you. Anyone can search this thread and find you being quoted:
"i work for a news magazine as a trainee called gearnews"

Even if you deleted/edited the original post by now.

what i mean was =
i work for a news magazine as a trainiee you can called it news about gears

i already write him and i apolgize for that also this ist my last clarify here
believe it or not i dont care anymore

[BazJacuzzi]

They've never been a communicative company, but the silence now is disconcerting.

[_leras]

I've been thinking some thoughts and I feel like this would have gone over much better if they'd released it at the same time as a good 4.4 or 5 update. Something that includes common user requests like MSEG, MIDI comping/retroactive recording, etc. That way everybody gets something they want even if they don't pay the extra. But nope, we are months out from the most recent substantial update and days after a big sale where none of us had any idea they were going to pull the rug out from under us.

But version 4 came out in July 2021 over a year ago. If you bought then, you'd have had 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3. That's a pretty good set of updates.

I don't think anyone has pulled the rug out from under anyone.

I do think they have communicated poorly, and a point update with paid plug ins - I can see why that doesn't come across well.

These are not exactly standard DAW plug ins though. Pretty specialised i.e. Eventide Physion.

[chrisstiles]

I do think they have communicated poorly, and a point update with paid plug ins - I can see why that doesn't come across well.

The fact that they felt the need to quietly change the wording on their website before advertising the new plugins tells you all you need to know.

[sbmongoose]

The fact that they felt the need to quietly change the wording on their website before advertising the new plugins tells you all you need to know.

That's the thing that's left a bitter taste. They've moved the goalpost of our expectations and understanding of what they would deliver based on what has previously been said. And doing it on the sly like this just feels slimey and dishonest of them.

[danhandan]

The thing I find most confusing about this is how will we know what features will included in an upgrade and what will be in an add-on… for example the convolution reverb could easily have been an add-on so what’s the category difference between that and some spectral FX?

I’d feel salty if I’d paid for an update in expectation of new features (essentially a pre-order)

All this move does is incentivise me to pay for upgrades after there have been enough features released to justify the price and this could include addons… but that sucks if you want it all now

[Held]

But version 4 came out in July 2021 over a year ago. If you bought then, you'd have had 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3. That's a pretty good set of updates.

I don't think anyone has pulled the rug out from under anyone.

I bought Bitwig 4 a year ago and I'm happy with what I got. I bought an upgrade plan this summer under the assumption that updates would continue like they have until now. It was a mistake.

If I ever buy an upgrade plan again, I'll only buy it after an update with good features. I'll probably unsubscribe from Bitwig news and just keep using it as it is because it's a great DAW already.

I'm mostly pissed at myself for being too naive, but I'm also pissed at Bitwig. They know what they doing is wrong, or they wouldn't have changed the text on their website.

[Phil B]

So, don't buy a version now for the future

I think zero people have said they buy updates with any expectation for what specifically gets delivered, just that they (1) want to support development and/or (2) expect to get whatever actually IS developed. But if you really feel that way, put your money where your mouth is and next time you buy an update, ask Bitwig to reduce your plan period from one year to one day!

[dayjob]

i bought bitwig in july. i didn't even see the price of the add on or realize that it was an additional product separate for bitwig so i loaded up a project and looked for the new devices only to be thwarted by my obliviousness.

a bummer. my plan when i got bitwig was only to buy the update plan every other year or so because i'm just not gonna pay for it every year. it's too expensive and i use other software for things so it's not gonna kill me to wait to add new features available in some future update.

i understand why long time users are pissed. i'd be disgruntled too. i think in a year or two or whenever i decide to update i'll wait for some sale and see what additional addons are around at the time. might skip the add ons entirely and just keep the "core" bitwig studio updated as needed.. i mean.. as of now it works w/my os and processor and i have barely gotten into it deeply.

the modular nature of it is great so i'll spend most of my time w/that i think. but also do the same w/ableton and max for live which is so capable of just about anything and i can freely make the devices i want or am able to make complete w/a UI etc.
if bitwig would open up an SDK to developers to make add ons i think that'd be cool and would increase the value of bitwig overall.. because many people would make and share free devices like max for live. but i think it'd be pretty hard for them to implement that??? idk. it's over my pay grade to know how hard or easy that might be.

anyway.. i hope whatever updates they have planned have things more interesting than the spectral devices and bitwig users are made happy about whatever new hotness they get w/the FREE update. i agree that the add on price is a big shaft to users. it won't keep me from using bitwig though.. i just won't update until i absolutely have to.

[xbitz]

^^^ personally I've voted my wallet already (have Bitwig Studio 4.2.5 which is perfectly usable with 3rd party VSTs) because they don't give a shit about user requests https://bitwish.top/votes it was just another brick in the wall so yepp "it won't keep me from using bitwig though.. i just won't update until i absolutely have to." +1

btw. Protoculture has just released a series https://www.sonicacademy.com/courses/10 ... wig-studio pretty good

[Stan Navi]

Bitwig is great company. And for me it is better to support them than see if they will be bought by Gibson, Fender, PRS...etc...and then abandoned.

[krazzmann]

I’m feeling unbelievably sad right now. These are dark days. The maker of my favorite DAW just pissed off most of its users. I feel cheated, too. I am witnessing the worst shit storm ever in my whole life. People are so emotional as if Bitwig would’ve sold their grandmother. On Discord Polarity was called shill. Yes, he has a different take on it but that’s not a reason to start a “witch hunt”. He was told to better keep his mouth shut not to risk his reputation and YT revenue. Sorry, but this is close to fascism. Regardless of how pissed we are, we shouldn’t suppress free speech. We shouldn’t become the internet mob. That was just too much for me. It’s only a f*cking DAW, for god’s sake. If it goes on like this then I don’t want to be part of this community any more.