[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan

[Nemirov]

4.3.9 changelog says new features are (excluding addons what they called not an part of Bitwig):

-There is now a Japanese translation of the Bitwig Studio v4.3.0 manual
-Device context menus have be reorganized so that device-specific entries come near the top of the list (for example, the Spectrum Displays setting for three of the Spectral devices)

So only two changes and one of them is actually updating also these Addons that are not part of Bitwig. So it is definitely part of it, not an "Addon".

[SamDi]

https://www.northdata.com/BITWIG+GmbH,+ ... B+120069+B

compare this with

https://www.northdata.com/Ableton+AG,+B ... RB+72838+B

Yeah, I checked both only about a week ago, because even before this little incident, I was puzzled whether I stick with Bitwig or go back to Cubase. viewtopic.php?p=8524248#p8524248
I looked at many aspects... the financial aspect was like with the "company health" in mind. Btw compare the two latest balance sheets which shows no (fundamental) change... could be they are stuck on a low level (compare BW to U-He... quite the same numbers) and need to keep revenue coming in to keep it that way.

I am pretty sure Bitwig has some serious economical problems. I mean, having around 30 employees as fix costs and generating between 100-200k profit is just to near at the black zero and a small little incident would push Bitwig into red numbers. What I wonder about is, when they employ 30 people, there should be at least 75% developers in such a small company. For that amount, the SW outcome is just too less. Either they failed in optimizing employee structure and have bloated administration or they have a suboptimal development process. But they should rather work on their efficiency and increase customer base by listen more to their customer feature requests and offering more value, instead of pissing on the small up-until-yesterday-loyal customer base.

[] Peter:H []

who should have spent money without that "bright future" in mind?

I generally buy things based on what they are, not based on vague what-might-be. You're projecting your own (unrealistic) expectations onto everyone else.

Btw, "providing a complete DAW without any niche tendency" could just as well be interpreted as "no vision at all, really", or at least a very weak lowest-common-demoninator one. Bitwig's not for you, time to move on.

Nice, regardless what I write, you turn my words up side down ... this is a useless conversation. When you ask me about a vision, I gave you my take on Cubase Pros Vision, then you say this "Overall Approach" is not a vision because it has no clear target niche... wut ...ontop my argument was made in the context of an explanation why for Bitwig the situation is that people bought the "future/idea" not the "that us". Ignorred. But, I give up, you win, your style if leading an argument is over me, you win.

[Dionysos]

I generally buy things based on what they are, not based on vague what-might-be.

No, sorry to get technical here, but if you buy an "upgrade plan" you are doing exactly that: Handing over money for a vague what-might-be in the timeframe of your subscription.

My point was that if I wasn't reasonably happy with what Bitwig offered right now, I wouldn't have bought it.

[carlosigls]

https://www.northdata.com/BITWIG+GmbH,+ ... B+120069+B

compare this with

https://www.northdata.com/Ableton+AG,+B ... RB+72838+B

Yeah, I checked both only about a week ago, because even before this little incident, I was puzzled whether I stick with Bitwig or go back to Cubase. viewtopic.php?p=8524248#p8524248
I looked at many aspects... the financial aspect was like with the "company health" in mind. Btw compare the two latest balance sheets which shows no (fundamental) change... could be they are stuck on a low level (compare BW to U-He... quite the same numbers) and need to keep revenue coming in to keep it that way.

I am pretty sure Bitwig has some serious economical problems. I mean, having around 30 employees as fix costs and generating between 100-200k profit is just to near at the black zero and a small little incident would push Bitwig into red numbers. What I wonder about is, when they employ 30 people, there should be at least 75% developers in such a small company. For that amount, the SW outcome is just too less. Either they failed in optimizing employee structure and have bloated administration or they have a suboptimal development process. But they should rather work on their efficiency and increase customer base by listen more to their customer feature requests and offering more value, instead of pissing on the small up-until-yesterday-loyal customer base.

I don't know if Bitwig has financial problems, but if you do, the first thing you don't do is lose the trust of your clients. Now I, like many others, will wait to see what they offer us, because I am not going to pay 160 euros for simple updates.

[Buckster]

What were the gaps between 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 please ? Just wondering how soon we should be expecting all the new features of 4.4 if development pace of core Bitwig is kept as previous

[don_looney]

I am pretty sure Bitwig has some serious economical problems. I mean, having around 30 employees as fix costs and generating between 100-200k profit is just to near at the black zero and a small little incident would push Bitwig into red numbers. What I wonder about is, when they employ 30 people, there should be at least 75% developers in such a small company. For that amount, the SW outcome is just too less. Either they failed in optimizing employee structure and have bloated administration or they have a suboptimal development process. But they should rather work on their efficiency and increase customer base by listen more to their customer feature requests and offering more value, instead of pissing on the small up-until-yesterday-loyal customer base.

I think the software outcome is really impressive. Which DAW gives you more updates in the same time frame?
It is funny that people argue about efficiency when 4 devs created Bitwig from zero to version 1. And that is not something I believe they did, they themselves spoke about that in a radio interview in Germany back in the days. 75% developer makes no sense at all in a business like that.
They made round about 1 million last year, take 50% off (tax etc.) and then divide it by 20. They were 20 people in 2019 some of them not even full time. That's 25k€ for everybody if you would split it equally. Just an easy calculation. Everybody speaking of greed ->
Just check bundesanzeiger.de

Take a step back and look what they have already achieved! For my part I am really happy with Bitwig and I will continue to support them, like I did in the past.
And please stop this hate culture, it is not healthy at all and will change nothing into something better.

[don_looney]

What were the gaps between 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 please ? Just wondering how soon we should be expecting all the new features of 4.4 if development pace of core Bitwig is kept as previous

https://www.bitwig.com/de/previous_releases/

4.0 - 13.07.2021
4.1 - 24.11.2021
4.2 - 10.03.2022
4.3 - 28.06.2022

I think the next update should be around the corner.

[Buckster]

What were the gaps between 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 please ? Just wondering how soon we should be expecting all the new features of 4.4 if development pace of core Bitwig is kept as previous

https://www.bitwig.com/de/previous_releases/

4.0 - 13.07.2021
4.1 - 24.11.2021
4.2 - 10.03.2022
4.3 - 28.06.2022

I think the next update should be around the corner.

Thanks very much - so yes 3-4 months gap approx between each so looking at that should be soon

Be very interesting to see scale of what is included in 4.4 and when it is released

[Nemirov]

The main thing what has happen is that people will not invest in Bitwig's future after such move they will only buy what they want to buy, what is already done in code. This will never be like it was before when people was paying for upgrade plans trying to help company and investing in its future this way.

[] Peter:H []

And please stop this hate culture, it is not healthy at all and will change nothing into something better.

If by "hate culture" you mean adressing serious concerns about a lack of communication and understanding community ... no, I won't. Would you stop putting negative labels on peoples concerns? I really hate cheap tricks like that, you communist leftist snowflakes (hope you get the irony/sarcasm).

[MADMANJ]

Strange times we live in, Putin calls his war a ‘special operation’ and now BWS is calling their update an ‘add-on’. It’s the new reality we have to face. But I still love Bitwig and since they do not have a descent competitor I will keep supporting them, and hopefully they will improve their marketing skills.

[kultschar]

I guess after this huge backlash the next major version will be important to the userbase of Bitwig. If nothing major is featured things could get interesting.

I mean whats to stop them now charging seperate for example The Grid 2 / The Grid Ultra Edition. We have entered the unknown with them moving the goalposts

[dreamstate42]

I think the software outcome is really impressive. Which DAW gives you more updates in the same time frame?
It is funny that people argue about efficiency when 4 devs created Bitwig from zero to version 1.

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Take a step back and look what they have already achieved! For my part I am really happy with Bitwig and I will continue to support them, like I did in the past.
And please stop this hate culture, it is not healthy at all and will change nothing into something better.

Honestly, I'm more on the "not so impressive" side. 75 % of 30 people would be roughly 22 (rounded down), that's 3 agile teams. Three agile teams can pump out an insane amount of software if they are talented and well managed. Even two teams should have a significantly higher output than what's currently happening.

Bitwig has been founded in 2009, the first version came out 2014, that's 4 - 5 years of development time. Four developers for (let's say) four years is 4 x 4 x 220 = 3520 developer days. For a brand new piece of software, that's... pretty average. I'm not trying to be negative or contrary, but I generally don't understand the "this is so amazing" attitude towards Bitwig. It's about what I would expect from a brand new piece of software being developed in a space with lots of competition as guideline for what's generally expected by users.

I have not followed this thread all the time, but "hate culture"? I hope you're not implying that any kind of criticism is "hate culture"?

[SLiC]

Strange times we live in, Putin calls his war a ‘special operation’ and now BWS is calling their update an ‘add-on’. It’s the new reality we have to face. But I still love Bitwig and since they do not have a descent competitor I will keep supporting them, and hopefully they will improve their marketing skills.

I think Ableton is a decent competitor....I like then equally for different reasons...I certainly prefer (and understand) Abletons sales model and Lives beta/update approach, it creates far more stable release versions.