[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan

[gnu23]

The Spectral Suite is excellent... shame it got off to such a bad start

Yeah, the demo video clearly shows off its capabilities.
For the record, my main DAW is Ableton. Bitwig is my, "I recognize its capabilities but I'm still learning" DAW.
But I also understand the userbase concerns about this and see it as an "own goal" by Bitwig.

I never expected this thread to go 80+ pages deep. Bitwig's decision hit a deep nerve.

[simmo75]

The Spectral Suite is excellent... shame it got off to such a bad start

Yeah, I’m sure it’s great.

The shame as you say, is all Bitwigs own doing.

Obviously how it happened is Bitwig's doing... but all the sockpuppets and people who don't even use Bitwig who are screaming and crying are their own twisted thing and that is not Bitwig's doing.

Lots of people just want to pile on when they see someone getting kicked. It's a sickness.

Sock puppets? Seems a little ridiculous that ‘uninvested’ people would waste their own time, but hey, each to their own.

I’m genuinely disappointed as a Bitwig user.

[pdxindy]

I bet they were paid by Bitwig to use their influence

Doubtful... both of them are generally clear with disclaimers...

[pdxindy]

The Spectral Suite is excellent... shame it got off to such a bad start

Yeah, the demo video clearly shows off its capabilities.

How easy it is to add devices (including 3rd party fx) into the split chains is an advantage over similar VST's...

[Dostoyevsky]

I don't think they got paid. They just stupidly commented on something they are apparently ill-informed of, too lazy to at least prepare for, and obviously not even interested in. Most likely their viewers pushed them to comment and they unfortunately gave in.

[billinder33]

The Spectral Suite is excellent... shame it got off to such a bad start

Yeah, I’m sure it’s great.

The shame as you say, is all Bitwigs own doing.

Obviously how it happened is Bitwig's doing... but all the sockpuppets and people who don't even use Bitwig who are screaming and crying are their own twisted thing and that is not Bitwig's doing.

Lots of people just want to pile on when they see someone getting kicked. It's a sickness.

[machinesworking]

The Spectral Suite is excellent... shame it got off to such a bad start

Yeah, I’m sure it’s great.

The shame as you say, is all Bitwigs own doing.

Obviously how it happened is Bitwig's doing... but all the sockpuppets and people who don't even use Bitwig who are screaming and crying are their own twisted thing and that is not Bitwig's doing.

Lots of people just want to pile on when they see someone getting kicked. It's a sickness.

I think at this point I'm not going to mock you for the fact you're going out of your way to accuse upset users of being sock puppets in some sort of sad battered wife syndrome and just acknowledge that it's not your fault. Spousal abuse is awful and it leaves the person feeling they have no choice because the house, kids family they built up etc. People are upset because they like the software and feel abused by the developers that made it, you're resigned and now taking your anger out on the people who are "hurting" your husband.

You don't have to like it, but the truth is companies can and do listen to end users complaints, and if enough voices are raised, if the complaints don't go away, they change their policy. In fact the only way some companies like NI for instance do change draconian policies is through public outcry. To make another car analogy, you're the strikebreaker who reluctantly agrees with the strikers, but breaks the picket line anyway because they "like their job and those people are being unruly".

[JHernandez]

Statements Baphometrix made in the Bitwig discord. You can join and read them for yourself.

Baphometrix is pissed because Bitwig did not offer an NFR license (like they did for polarity, taches, and dahs glitch). Just goes to show how important the DAW really is or isn’t.

Personally I've never seen an affiliate link, or a google ad, or Baph selling anything. It doesn't seem like Baph cares about that stuff but I honestly have no idea because I don't know Baph and I don't watch the channel like a hawk so I won't assume anything.

So I'm asking, what evidence do you have for this claim?

Like I'm going to join a Discord server to find some comment that may or may not exist just to prove or disprove a claim you made. That's not how this works.

Just FYI, typically you make a claim, you bring the receipts.

Whatever, it simply isn't that important to me.

[BobDog]

Statements Baphometrix made in the Bitwig discord. You can join and read them for yourself.

Baphometrix is pissed because Bitwig did not offer an NFR license (like they did for polarity, taches, and dahs glitch). Just goes to show how important the DAW really is or isn’t.

Personally I've never seen an affiliate link, or a google ad, or Baph selling anything. It doesn't seem like Baph cares about that stuff but I honestly have no idea because I don't know Baph and I don't watch the channel like a hawk so I won't assume anything.

So I'm asking, what evidence do you have for this claim?

Like I'm going to join a Discord server to find some comment that may or may not exist just to prove or disprove a claim you made. That's not how this works.

Just FYI, typically you make a claim, you bring the receipts.

Whatever, it simply isn't that important to me.

It was your claim!

Someone else was just asked you where you got this idea from?

[Sound Author]

I do think it's important to not allow yourself to get sucked into the gaping vortex of negative energy that fuels "outrage culture", but at the same time, paying customers are entitled to address their grievances, and when their concerns are downplayed or ignored, the grievance intensifies.

I personally don't enjoy being mocked or laughed at by arrogant hipster YouTube influencers who pay nothing for things ordinary people have to work hard for. At first, our grievance was simply with Bitwig. Now we have these influencers adding insult to injury.

I defended Polarity mainly because he's done so much for the Bitwig community; I simply disagree with his position. No big deal, we can still be friends. But after lastnight's spectacle of indifference and flat out disrespect for paying customers with valid concerns about something that actually does negatively impact them in a very real way, I have no sympathy for influencers who shrug off a large part of their audience like that.

[Onya Malloy]

Nothing much to add that hasn't already been said, so just adding my name to the list of disgruntled users over this paid add-on 'workflow enhancement'.

It's not the first time they have employed dubious marketing strategies, as I'm still annoyed that I didn't get a t-shirt, as featured in their promo shots, in the 1.0 box edition when launched.

[machinesworking]

I don't think they got paid. They just stupidly commented on something they are apparently ill-informed of, too lazy to at least prepare for, and obviously not even interested in. Most likely their viewers pushed them to comment and they unfortunately gave in.

Influencers are gross. They're some ungodly conglomeration of educator and salesman. Unlike an educator though, actual strong opinions on things are verboten, because it's all about YouTube views, and the thing that works the best is low educational value How To videos on the latest in our case developments in audio software, but without boring nitty gritty details and a lot of razzmatazz.

Basically their regular content is ten minutes of fluff with 45 seconds of tips, tricks and educational value. This is the new normal, these people are your virtual friends for a world where people don't venture outside. The content was never that important, so commenting on a shady business move by a company they've gotten solid views and subscribers from is like asking a used car salesman to tell you the bad things about the car he's chatting you up into hopefully buying. They might not directly work for Bitwig, but their whole revenue is generated by this image of their perceived super positive always forward motion exploration of the wonderful world of music software and devices. They cannot be perceived as some sort of negative force. IMO the reason for this is simple, a good portion of generations past Gen X are bummed out and put off by negativity of any kind even justified, because their parents were part of a generation that saw multiple rock stars commit suicide and die of drug overdoses. So they don't see a salesman like attitude as a bad thing like their parents do, because obviously their parents need medication and an attitude change.

So they removed the content for the simple reason that it would tank their views and its in the end uncomfortable for them to have strong opinions in the first place, so they kinda screwed it up and lost the plot with it anyway.

[backtomusic]

Statements Baphometrix made in the Bitwig discord. You can join and read them for yourself.

Baphometrix is pissed because Bitwig did not offer an NFR license (like they did for polarity, taches, and dahs glitch). Just goes to show how important the DAW really is or isn’t.

Personally I've never seen an affiliate link, or a google ad, or Baph selling anything. It doesn't seem like Baph cares about that stuff but I honestly have no idea because I don't know Baph and I don't watch the channel like a hawk so I won't assume anything.

So I'm asking, what evidence do you have for this claim?

Like I'm going to join a Discord server to find some comment that may or may not exist just to prove or disprove a claim you made. That's not how this works.

Just FYI, typically you make a claim, you bring the receipts.

Whatever, it simply isn't that important to me.

It was your claim!

Someone else was just asked you where you got this idea from?

oh geez, i can confirm bapho said he got "extra salty" because he never was offered NFRs since content creators with less subscribers count got it. I wouldn't read to much into it..i would suspect it was just the icing on his cake over the disapointment with the direction Bitwig seems to be taking. And if he looked into it, yes he's a bigger content creator than two of them by far, but one is a certified trainer, the other one knows Bitwig. Just a spur of the moment soo to say.

[perpetual3]

Baphometrix made the claim, it’s there. Others have read it so if you don’t believe me, I really don’t care. I’m not writing a thesis and I’m not bothered by you or the issue enough to go through the trouble.

Statements Baphometrix made in the Bitwig discord. You can join and read them for yourself.

Baphometrix is pissed because Bitwig did not offer an NFR license (like they did for polarity, taches, and dahs glitch). Just goes to show how important the DAW really is or isn’t.

Personally I've never seen an affiliate link, or a google ad, or Baph selling anything. It doesn't seem like Baph cares about that stuff but I honestly have no idea because I don't know Baph and I don't watch the channel like a hawk so I won't assume anything.

So I'm asking, what evidence do you have for this claim?

Like I'm going to join a Discord server to find some comment that may or may not exist just to prove or disprove a claim you made. That's not how this works.

Just FYI, typically you make a claim, you bring the receipts.

Whatever, it simply isn't that important to me.

[machinesworking]

Nothing much to add that hasn't already been said, so just adding my name to the list of disgruntled users over this paid add-on 'workflow enhancement'.

It's not the first time they have employed dubious marketing strategies, as I'm still annoyed that I didn't get a t-shirt, as featured in their promo shots, in the 1.0 box edition when launched.

I'm annoyed 8 years later the whole network collaboration feature is still vaporware.
I really looked forward to a future thinking DAW with easy intercontinental collaboration built in. I've got friends all over the globe who are talented that I would love to work with without it being this obscene process to set up.