When do you think Logic Pro 11 will come out?

[machinesworking]

IMO though you touch on the one downside to Logic, it's the only DAW on my systems out of a half dozen that locks the last couple versions out of Mojave and my old Mac Pro. That's the rub though, updates are free if you are OK on an older version, or upgrade your computer every 5-6 years.

I don't see this as a downside. I think Apple has found a reasonable balance of managing the technical debt of older code and more fully embracing the use of evolving technologies.

Technical debt, not even part of the equation. When every other DAW on my machine gets significant updates but Logic and handles my modified Mac Pro just fine, this points to something else entirely. Logic isn't doing anything significantly different on the M1 than the other DAWs here. The limitation is IMO artificial, otherwise how does Live, DP11, Reaper, and Bitwig handle the Mac Pro and Mojave but somehow the latest version of Logic can't?

[apoclypse]

IMO though you touch on the one downside to Logic, it's the only DAW on my systems out of a half dozen that locks the last couple versions out of Mojave and my old Mac Pro. That's the rub though, updates are free if you are OK on an older version, or upgrade your computer every 5-6 years.

I don't see this as a downside. I think Apple has found a reasonable balance of managing the technical debt of older code and more fully embracing the use of evolving technologies.

Technical debt, not even part of the equation. When every other DAW on my machine gets significant updates but Logic and handles my modified Mac Pro just fine, this points to something else entirely. Logic isn't doing anything significantly different on the M1 than the other DAWs here. The limitation is IMO artificial, otherwise how does Live, DP11, Reaper, and Bitwig handle the Mac Pro and Mojave but somehow the latest version of Logic can't?

I don't think anyone is under any illusion that Apple requiring certain versions of macOS to run isn't some kind of artificial limitation.

That being said Apple's apps are more tied to Apples apis than 3rd party cross platform apps and sometime newer OS versions will have feature Apple wants to highlight that older versions don't. So if Apple wants to introduce something that will only work on M1 Macs, users would have already been on a macOS version that supports only M1 Macs (which will happen at some point). There is a lot of tech on M1 Macs that is underutilized at the moment as the transition happens (all those machine learning cores are just sitting there not doing much for example).

[machinesworking]

IMO though you touch on the one downside to Logic, it's the only DAW on my systems out of a half dozen that locks the last couple versions out of Mojave and my old Mac Pro. That's the rub though, updates are free if you are OK on an older version, or upgrade your computer every 5-6 years.

I don't see this as a downside. I think Apple has found a reasonable balance of managing the technical debt of older code and more fully embracing the use of evolving technologies.

Technical debt, not even part of the equation. When every other DAW on my machine gets significant updates but Logic and handles my modified Mac Pro just fine, this points to something else entirely. Logic isn't doing anything significantly different on the M1 than the other DAWs here. The limitation is IMO artificial, otherwise how does Live, DP11, Reaper, and Bitwig handle the Mac Pro and Mojave but somehow the latest version of Logic can't?

I don't think anyone is under any illusion that Apple requiring certain versions of macOS to run isn't some kind of artificial limitation.

That being said Apple's apps are more tied to Apples apis than 3rd party cross platform apps and sometime newer OS versions will have feature Apple wants to highlight that older versions don't. So if Apple wants to introduce something that will only work on M1 Macs, users would have already been on a macOS version that supports only M1 Macs (which will happen at some point). There is a lot of tech on M1 Macs that is underutilized at the moment as the transition happens (all those machine learning cores are just sitting there not doing much for example).

Oh for sure the M1 Macs will actually be a departure point, especially when Logic fully uses the AI capabilities of the SOC. IMO the artificial constraining of tech to the graveyard and the limiting of what OS can go on which deprecated hardware is just a matter of convenience for them though, not a real hardware issue. That gets proven over and over again in the x86 community. I'm right now debating on whether to instal Open Core on this Mac Pro or not because it seems Mojave and Monterey are not willing to talk to each other over thunderbolt, and a TB network is a great idea IMO considering the potential 5 drive bays and three PCI slots on the Pro.

[ValliSoftware]

BTW, it’s no longer “Logic Pro X”, it’s just “Logic Pro” now...

If you go in "Terminal", it's still called Logic Pro X.app.

Logic Pro X.png

[apoclypse]

BTW, it’s no longer “Logic Pro X”, it’s just “Logic Pro” now...

If you go in "Terminal", it's still called Logic Pro X.app.
Logic Pro X.png

Yep or if you go to Get Info on the app you will see that as well. My guess is the Apple doesn't want to break current shortcuts. If they change the app name they could break any shortcuts on peoples desktop. I know that happens to me when I have multiple app versions in my Applications folder. But that's just conjecture on my part.

[nightjar]

BTW, it’s no longer “Logic Pro X”, it’s just “Logic Pro” now...

If you go in "Terminal", it's still called Logic Pro X.app.
Logic Pro X.png

Well.. as software moves more and more to a subscription model, it makes sense to get away from version numbers. The whole versioning concept is something I'm happy to get away from. It created an awkward development cycle of holding back features and the need for shiny objects. And negligence to improving the boring fundaments of a piece of software.

[Tj Shredder]

Well.. as software moves more and more to a subscription model, it makes sense to get away from version numbers.

Why? Sounds like chaos. Without version numbers you would not know at what development point you are. There are even more reasons to not upgrade than in the past. A point Apple doesn‘t get at all…
Never change a winning team, only update if bugs are fixed or essential features are added and wait a bit until its ironed out…
Most tools work fine in the state they are…
Subscriptions which block your tool as soon you stop paying is a no go anyway. And there are enough alternatives… See you never again ProTools…
But back to topic, I don‘t care when the next Logic appears. I don‘t have a system (yet) that would run it. I am happy with the last Logic that runs in Mojave… But I use it just for sound track editing anyway…

[apoclypse]

Why? Sounds like chaos. Without version numbers you would not know at what development point you are. There are even more reasons to not upgrade than in the past. A point Apple doesn‘t get at all…
Never change a winning team, only update if bugs are fixed or essential features are added and wait a bit until its ironed out…
Most tools work fine in the state they are…

Apple has version numbers so I'm not sure what you mean by "a point Apple doesn't understand". Even if you mean about yearly updates, in terms of the OS Microsoft has taken then same stance on that (in-fact they have two updates a year) with Windows 10/11 and even Linux distros have yearly updates too (though some distros have LTS version you can use).

That being said I wish Apple would maybe take a longer break between version like they did with Snow Leopard. Each macOS release over the last few years has been so full of bugs and broken functionality. Microsoft has gone down that path as well. I can't tell you how many time there have been some major bug in a new version of Windows 10 that got introduced due to the stringent schedule.

But none of that has to do with Logic which has had rock solid updates since at least 10.3 (anything before that was a bug fest).

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[mikeyfam1]

All I want is multi touch in Sidecar.

[Johnnyjohn]

Hope once we've seen a full lineup transition to Apple Silicon we'll see a major upgrade

[brd]

Well.. as software moves more and more to a subscription model, it makes sense to get away from version numbers. The whole versioning concept is something I'm happy to get away from. It created an awkward development cycle of holding back features and the need for shiny objects. And negligence to improving the boring fundaments of a piece of software.

I think the reason they removed the X was because they renamed "(Mac) OS X" to "macOS" and they wanted to move on from the "X" thing across the board.

[JimGramze]

I think Logic Pro 11 will come out mid October or mid November of 2022, to coincide with the new Mac OS which is also dropping the "X". The major update the last two years were in the middle of one of these two months. (Before that it was 2.5 years.) There is a 3rd party music vendor that dropped the "X" from his product's name, he says, because Apple is doing the same with Logic. He further stated he is looking forward to seeing Logic Pro 11 soon of which he seemed to have insider knowledge of. I am certain of nothing.

[revvy]

So would Logic 11 be ARM-only…?

[apoclypse]

I think Logic Pro 11 will come out mid October or mid November of 2022, to coincide with the new Mac OS which is also dropping the "X". The major update the last two years were in the middle of one of these two months. (Before that it was 2.5 years.) There is a 3rd party music vendor that dropped the "X" from his product's name, he says, because Apple is doing the same with Logic. He further stated he is looking forward to seeing Logic Pro 11 soon of which he seemed to have insider knowledge of. I am certain of nothing.

macOS already dropped the X with Big Sur and Monterey. So it's been two years at this point and Logic 11 is still not here.