[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan
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- KVRist
- 213 posts since 2 Oct, 2014
Post 1500, page 100. Mission accomplished. You can close this thread now.
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- KVRist
- 77 posts since 28 Aug, 2013
Authoritarian state corruption dynamics seem emergent at the smallest scale…_leras wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:29 pmI can, I never had to pick up IL's slack and I hope they read this and step up.Hink wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:28 pm Can't blame them. I'm starting to see why Gol was such an ass to people on the IL forums.
Hey, make me a moderator. I'll deal with this bunch of whingers in short order.
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- KVRer
- 27 posts since 12 Oct, 2012
The best part about this thread is the guys trying to convince all of us that this entire thing is not a bad deal.
lol
We went from :
You pay 170$ annual -> get everything that releases for the software. You know the GRID? that MASSIVE thing in Bitwig? You got it by the annual plan. Not 99$ Extra.
To:
You pay 170$ annual -> You get what now is subjectively part of the software and You have to pay extra for things that are now subjectively considered "extra" or "niche" or whatever. By the way it costs 99$
Last year, your spending in Bitwig was 170$. This year is 269$ if you "WaNt To gEt SEpARaTe PrOdUCtS~
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This is a joke.
lol
We went from :
You pay 170$ annual -> get everything that releases for the software. You know the GRID? that MASSIVE thing in Bitwig? You got it by the annual plan. Not 99$ Extra.
To:
You pay 170$ annual -> You get what now is subjectively part of the software and You have to pay extra for things that are now subjectively considered "extra" or "niche" or whatever. By the way it costs 99$
Last year, your spending in Bitwig was 170$. This year is 269$ if you "WaNt To gEt SEpARaTe PrOdUCtS~
"This is a joke.
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- KVRAF
- 12094 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
The ironic thing is this is the official Bitwig forum, the Bitwig Devs are the moderators!
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- KVRist
- 77 posts since 1 Aug, 2009
I tend to think that they just didn't think this through in the first place. Otherwise it seems to me they would have had a response ready. It's hard to remember 90 pages back, but wasn't the FAQ on this written only after the backlash already started?machinesworking wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:51 pm We will learn tomorrow if I'm right about this, but I do not think this came from a place of malice. Urs and U-He are obviously good friends with Bitwig, that says something there. IMO the Update Plan put them in a corner they tried to sneak out of, and the whole thing crashed on them badly.
My guess is they might be one of those companies that think they're so great that they actually confuse things that are in their own best interests with what's good for their customers. I'd expect intentionally slimy behavior to be better thought out than this.
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- KVRAF
- 8511 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
I think they left that all to Thom...SLiC wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:33 pm The ironic thing is this is the official Bitwig forum, the Bitwig Devs are the moderators!
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- KVRist
- 213 posts since 2 Oct, 2014
Its purpose is merely to use it as a dumpster for all those pesky user ideas.SLiC wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:33 pm The ironic thing is this is the official Bitwig forum, the Bitwig Devs are the moderators!
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ChamomileShark ChamomileShark https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=25116 - KVRAF
- 3234 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK
I see Benn Jordan has also cut ties with Bitwig.tempsperdu wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:57 pm Venus Theory has posted this over at VI Control (I hope I'm not upsetting anyone by reposting.)
https://twitter.com/user/status/1579557547719417856
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- KVRian
- 763 posts since 26 Sep, 2007
Oh, they could've introduced a new, cheaper Bitwig Core plan that just contains the DAW basics (but is not limited in track count), and spun e.g. the Grid, the recent set of "+" plugins and midi effects, and the new spectral suite out into add-ons for that cheaper plan, while keeping existing users on the all-inclusive plan. If necessary, raise the price of that one with a bit of a notice period.machinesworking wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:39 pm There was no way for them to sell add ons separately from the Plan, or introduce that concept without this fiasco, that's why it's the problem.
I think that would've gone down much more smoothly.
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505 - KVRAF
- 8025 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
Whole heartedly disagree, I'm a regular there, since 2004.pdxindy wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:21 pmI used to frequent the Ableton forum and there were sh!tstorms worse than this one over there. Their update model did not prevent that.machinesworking wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:17 pm Case in point, Ableton introduced Sampler, the big brother to Simpler which was free in Live. They charged for it, and later Suite was introduced. No one thought too much of it, because it was never promised or assumed that all Live content would be included in Live. No "future updates" were ever mentioned.
People were upset, nothing like this though.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 26 Nov, 2021
It was working perfectly fine for years until they broke it 6 days ago.machinesworking wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:17 pm TL;DR - The main crux of this is the Update Plan is unique, and probably for good reason, look how it's turning out for Bitwig.
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machinesworking machinesworking https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8505
- KVRAF
- 8025 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
You're probably right, I'm still not convinced that there isn't some financial reason for this, people have said their numbers look good, but IMO the Update plan opens them up for less consistency than upgrades, and they looked to resolve that. It's hard for me to imagine there wasn't at least one employee that thought this was a terrible idea though, unless they have a truly top down approach to the business and no one but the CEO gets to decide these things.drewfx wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:36 pmI tend to think that they just didn't think this through in the first place. Otherwise it seems to me they would have had a response ready. It's hard to remember 90 pages back, but wasn't the FAQ on this written only after the backlash already started?machinesworking wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:51 pm We will learn tomorrow if I'm right about this, but I do not think this came from a place of malice. Urs and U-He are obviously good friends with Bitwig, that says something there. IMO the Update Plan put them in a corner they tried to sneak out of, and the whole thing crashed on them badly.
My guess is they might be one of those companies that think they're so great that they actually confuse things that are in their own best interests with what's good for their customers. I'd expect intentionally slimy behavior to be better thought out than this.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 26 Nov, 2021
When they finally finish answering all the angry customer emails, this will probably turn into a 3 page thread of positive commentsSLiC wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:33 pm The ironic thing is this is the official Bitwig forum, the Bitwig Devs are the moderators!
