[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan

[dayjob]

Venus Theory has posted this over at VI Control (I hope I'm not upsetting anyone by reposting.)
https://twitter.com/user/status/1579557547719417856

I don’t do twitter. What did he tweet?

he tweeted that pee is stored in the balls.

nah.. he said:

Okay well shilly shill shilling here a bit and wanted to say I've gone ahead and cut ties with
@Bitwig
. Although I'm apparently incapable of putting my money where my mouth is (and it was difficult to drive my eight Ferraris to the computer in my mansion to do it) it's done.

[Fleer]

Thanks dj!

[machinesworking]

I don't know, and I'm not going to read this whole thread, and the search sucks here, and well, um, I'm just lazy and want to hear the sound of my own voice, in a run on sentence, but, is there some chance that the reasoning behind this is that Bitwig licensed some tech for these from someone else, e.g., Zynaptic?

It’s possible that’s the case, but without trying to be a prejudiced jerk, it’s like they took some American stereotype of a cold German and ran with it, i.e. without any thought of how to present this to their customers. I guess we might find out tomorrow if it’s partially due to a partnership or licensed code?

[tempsperdu]

Venus Theory has posted this over at VI Control (I hope I'm not upsetting anyone by reposting.)
https://twitter.com/user/status/1579557547719417856

I don’t do twitter. What did he tweet?

Basically he's cut ties with Bitwig.
Possibly an over reaction but then they are so adrift..............

[JsinOwl]

He also went on to give a quite lengthy apology for his initial live stream with Benn Jordan. It was quite refreshing.

[maschinelf]

I think original post was just another veiled "complaining about complainers" post. Another grumpy ol' neighbor who isn't interested in the topic

Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing something. But let's just take it as it comes!

I think this is what it's all about and why I have more posts here in the last few days than the last 14 years combined!

Are you sure you know the meaning of grumpy? Cause I'm not making more posts in the last few days than in 14 years .. as a bitwig user I'm definitely interested in where this goes, but also think it would've been blown a bit less out of proportion if more ppl had taken a more considered approach about when to update instead of doing it every year.

[drewfx]

as a bitwig user I'm definitely interested in where this goes, but also think it would've been blown a bit less out of proportion if more ppl had taken a more considered approach about when to update instead of doing it every year.

I think it would also would've been blown a bit less out of proportion if more ppl had taken a more considered approach about not blaming the victims.

[maschinelf]

I can't speak for others but don't intent to blame anyone .. ppl are just more sensitive and riled up, and when that happens there is a tendency to see anything they don't agree with as blame.

These are just facts. I'm not on an active plan currently, but even if I was I'd be a little upset abt not getting the add-ons but not devastated because a) I'd already have got a lot of new stuff on the day of activation, b) would still expect to get more stuff over the following year, and c) would probably not miss or really use the contents of this particular update/addon.

I'm not disputing that the way Bitwig went abt this is not shitty. But it's still on the customer if they assumed they were the "good guys" that they needed to support every year with their so-called altruism. I never lost sight of the fact that at the end of the day they are a company making a product for profit, not a community/open-source project or a non-profit co-operative. And therefore I would also buy when it suited me and I had enough to gain at the time of purchase. It's called being realistic, and as a result I'm quite a bit less disappointed than many others. And imo that's on them for their own buying decisions and patterns, not purely on bitwig.

[SLiC]

The internet is a place where people come together to disagree with each other.
The fact that there is near universal agreement that Bitwig screwed up is something of a miracle.
Of course the range of reactions goes from ‘they made a small mistake’ to ‘hang them all’, but still, generally speaking we still have universal agreement that it’s a cock up, so that’s something!

Looking forward to seeing how Bitwig resolve this today, I even woke up thinking about it and I am not even angry (just a little disappointed)

[maschinelf]

The internet is a place where people come together to disagree with each other.
The fact that there is near universal agreement that Bitwig screwed up is something of a miracle.
Of course the range of reactions goes from ‘they made a small mistake’ to ‘hang them all’, but still, generally speaking we still have universal agreement that it’s a cock up, so that’s something!

Looking forward to seeing how Bitwig resolve this today, I even woke up thinking about it and I am not even angry (just a little disappointed)

Also, one positive bitwig can take from this is that ppl care deeply abt this product .. I may be wrong but I don't think ppl would get quite as riled up abt a lot of other software. So if they're smart they'll turn it around and learn from this.

[Sound Author]

I think one very important aspect of this is that a lot of people migrated to Bitwig from other DAWs because, for a long time, Bitwig has been thought of as "one of the good guys". Some people migrated to Bitwig from Reason because they were tired of the bs. Some people migrated from Studio One because they were tired of the bs. Some people migrated from Pro Tools, Cubase, the list goes on and on. So, now we have this community of refuges from other platforms who were lied to and exploited by other companies over and over...and then Bitwig eventually pulls the same kinda crap. It makes perfect sense that the refugees are now hungry for blood. WE ARE SO BEYOND TIRED OF THIS.

How are content creators supposed to focus on what we do for a living when we are constantly looking over our shoulder for some corporate vampire always lurking in the shadows waiting to dig into our pockets every chance they get. The pro audio consumer has had ENOUGH. These greedy companies haven't just robbed us financially; they've robbed us of the joy of making music.

[inkling]

^exactly that, great post

[_leras]

One of the things I learned while getting older is to kick people or companies that lack integrity out of my life.

As said, a short term pain, but on the long term, I'm a happy camper and I feel extremely good supporting companies I feel related to.
I'm pointing to you : U-He, Rob Papen, Fabfilter, Soundtoys, Image Line, ...

Well, this is a very impulsive blowing in the wind approach if you can jump too this conclusion about the team at Bitwig off one misstep.

Assuming malicious behaviour and not giving them the benefit of doubt or chance to respond. Acting maliciously in retort seems ironically unhealthy.

To me the Bitwig team are definitely on the list of people with their hearts in the right place.

I also think there's a huge amount of double standards. I bet every complainer here has made mistakes in their life. I bet every complainer here buys things from far less ethical companies everyday.

[_leras]

Hey, make me a moderator. I'll deal with this bunch of whingers in short order.

Authoritarian state corruption dynamics seem emergent at the smallest scale…

Don't worry it was, of course, a joke.

[machinesworking]

I think one very important aspect of this is that a lot of people migrated to Bitwig from other DAWs because, for a long time, Bitwig has been thought of as "one of the good guys". Some people migrated to Bitwig from Reason because they were tired of the bs. Some people migrated from Studio One because they were tired of the bs. Some people migrated from Pro Tools, Cubase, the list goes on and on. So, now we have this community of refuges from other platforms who were lied to and exploited by other companies over and over...and then Bitwig eventually pulls the same kinda crap. It makes perfect sense that the refugees are now hungry for blood. WE ARE SO BEYOND TIRED OF THIS.

How are content creators supposed to focus on what we do for a living when we are constantly looking over our shoulder for some corporate vampire always lurking in the shadows waiting to dig into our pockets every chance they get. The pro audio consumer has had ENOUGH. These greedy companies haven't just robbed us financially; they've robbed us of the joy of making music.

So I wouldn't go that far. I just like supporting companies that I like the business practices of, and I'll be honest there are exceptions. The problem I have with the "greedy company" concept is how often DAWs and plug in manufacturers get bought out. This isn't the business to be in if you're trying to get rich, whether from the artist or audio software developers sides.

Seriously thinking about it, Reaper, DP, Bitwig and Live are the four DAWs I can think of that haven't been bought out by a conglomerate. I don't think most people starting a company are looking to get bought out, it comes down to it always being a struggle to make ends meet and pay developers, who do not come cheap.

I think the problem is always the same though, at some point you get big enough to want to expand, and the revenue isn't warranting that. So subscriptions, odd limitations on what is transferable, surprise plug ins that aren't part of the product, and other somewhat annoying methods end up being used to generate revenue. It's like the entire industry is tone deaf to degree, it's not that hard to just flat out tell your customers something like, "Hey we're looking to do bigger things here, we've come up with some goodies that you might want to help us get there", and release the products. Sure there would be backlash, especially in this case with the subscription covering everything before this announcement, but at least there's a sense of respect there, and that matters.