Waveform Version 12.1.3 master fade BUG with edits made in previous versions.

[Mr Coffeehouse]

Greetings All -

The latest Waveform version (As of mid-August 2022) Waveform Version 12.1.3 has a BUG to do with loading up Waveform edits created in earlier versions of W-12 (and maybe earlier versions also) - where the master section fade feature isn't being recognized. Even if a fade has been created previously, the recording on the edit timeline now doesn't fade down at the end in version 12.1.3, either playing it in real-time or rendering it as a mixdown.

Wondering if this is happening to anyone else - please chime in!
..I'm on a PC - Windows 10.

Thanks, Michael at The Coffeehouse

[Mr Coffeehouse]

It seems that the master fade doesn’t work on the new version either - if your edit was created in the newest version !!

Can someone else please confirm this for me? Much appreciated

[Watchful]

Coincidentally, I opened an old project that had fade automation applied to the master track. It worked all right for me, and I'm also running v12 on Win 10. I was able to delete it.

As a test...

1. Create a new track in the project
2. Click the A button to the right of the new track
3. Select Master parameters > Master volume

Does your fade out line appear there?

Aside...not saying this is what you should do, but I don't apply fades to the master bus because of unpredictable issues like this (and this is true for all DAWs in my mind, not Waveform).

In Waveform, I create a new track called "Master Bus," and route all active tracks' audio to it on the right. I can apply the fade to just that track, with a lot more precision and control. Plus, I can put as many plugins as I want on this track. This also leaves the actual Master bus completely untouched in every project. It's an extra step or two to be sure, but I find it so much more flexible.

[dysjoint]

I just started doing this "fake master" track thing, it"s actually quite handy if you want to do a quick render to listen to without doing a full export.

[Watchful]

Thanks...it's something a few old-timers do back from the days before DAWs.

Its full version works like this:

1. Create a track called Master Bus. This is where I'll put mastering plug-ins, fadeout and fade in automation, overall track reverts, etc.
2. Route all audible tracks to it by changing their outputs on the right from Default to Master Bus. This lets you have temp tracks, metronome tracks, or scratch tracks exist outside of what you'd record, too.
3. Create a track below Master Bus called Bounce Track, and change its input to Master Bus. Anything that you want recorded is sent here. You can mute this track.

When ready to record, just arm and record Bounce track. Only finished audio tracks get recorded, since they're sent to Master Bus, and in turn picked up by Bounce. You can do a whole project at once, or just Bounce individual tracks as needed or as they're finished and drag them to permanent locations.

And you never need to mess with your true master bus in Waveform, which always stays at 0dB. I will pop in headphone correction plug-ins there, and analyzers, but that's it.

This is really just creating a 2-track analog tape recorder for bouncing in Waveform, so I'm not taking any credit for this. It's got its uses, and I like this flexibility to save time.

[Mr Coffeehouse]

Hi there Watchful -

I know how to apply automation to the master fader.
That isn't what I was asking about..
(although quite handy for certain-!)

I was talking about the "Master Fade IN/OUT" feature.

Click on the master volume area and you will see the settings just to the left.

Can anyone confirm the bug? Thanks!

- Mike at The Coffeehouse

Coincidentally, I opened an old project that had fade automation applied to the master track. It worked all right for me, and I'm also running v12 on Win 10. I was able to delete it.

As a test...

1. Create a new track in the project
2. Click the A button to the right of the new track
3. Select Master parameters > Master volume

Does your fade out line appear there?

Aside...not saying this is what you should do, but I don't apply fades to the master bus because of unpredictable issues like this (and this is true for all DAWs in my mind, not Waveform).

In Waveform, I create a new track called "Master Bus," and route all active tracks' audio to it on the right. I can apply the fade to just that track, with a lot more precision and control. Plus, I can put as many plugins as I want on this track. This also leaves the actual Master bus completely untouched in every project. It's an extra step or two to be sure, but I find it so much more flexible.

[Watchful]

Understood, now! To be honest, that's not a method I ever used to fade in or out.

It's definitely working inconsistently for me on Win 10. First couple of times, it wasn't working...but after clicking on the settings in the Properties window, it suddenly did.

The master fader also did not lower itself during the fadeout or fade in, which would drive me crazy trying to troubleshoot a fade out if I didn't realize how I did it (I'm comparing this to the master volume parameter in automation, which gives considerable control and information by contrast).

When you load up a project in v12 with the Master Fade in use, look up at the time line...do you see a diagonal line cutting through the Bar/Beat counters? That's the visual index for the master fade.