Is the Virtual Instrument era over?
- KVRAF
- 8071 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Funny how I see the same type of thread on hardware forums too. Apparently all music production is dead. We had a good run folks, but it's time to go back to a world of monotonous silence.
- addled muppet weed
- 111242 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
foosnark wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:37 pm Funny how I see the same type of thread on hardware forums too. Apparently all music production is dead. We had a good run folks, but it's time to go back to a world of monotonous silence.
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- KVRAF
- 1892 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK
Some people just start topics to be seen. Maybe we’re running out of serious things to talk about
I wonder what happens if I press this button...
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- KVRian
- 788 posts since 18 Sep, 2010
Innovation comes in waves.
Looking back at 10+ year old plugins (instruments and effects), I'm amazed at how much plugins have generally evolved. A lot of it does come from increased computing power, but there's been a fair amount of innovation as well.
I expect that process to continue, and years down the line the market will continue to be pretty healthy, and we'll still be debating whether "the end is near".
Looking back at 10+ year old plugins (instruments and effects), I'm amazed at how much plugins have generally evolved. A lot of it does come from increased computing power, but there's been a fair amount of innovation as well.
I expect that process to continue, and years down the line the market will continue to be pretty healthy, and we'll still be debating whether "the end is near".
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- 1646 posts since 4 Aug, 2017
No, it is a serious topic. Many virtual instruments are made by small companies and they have limited resources. If the market is saturated and people are turning more to hardware, there is a very real chance that many of these companies will fold and a lot of these plugins will no longer work (given the authorization schemes in use).foosnark wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:37 pm Funny how I see the same type of thread on hardware forums too. Apparently all music production is dead. We had a good run folks, but it's time to go back to a world of monotonous silence.
That is not to say that virtual instruments will die off entirely. I am sure that a lot of that market will end up being SAS and you will buy a subscription to use them. Also, many people are making great music with the instruments in their DAWs these days with the addition of samples, loops, and online services like Splice and Output.
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- KVRAF
- 16136 posts since 13 Nov, 2012
Its just beginning......
- KVRAF
- 26931 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Steinberg has been a big downer for plugins... they suck as a steward for an industry standard and VST3 has been a near disaster.PAK wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:50 am
VST3 adoption has been glacial, and there's arguments to be made (CLAP taking it beyond just an argument) that this whole area has caused market damage. Pretty much everyone (still updating products) is now making the move though, so it's not actually glacial by this point. Unfortunately most are wrapping VST2 products or aren't implementing many of the supposed advantages of VST3. (I mostly just want them to switch CPU use off, when idle, reliably!!) So it's a very hollow victory for Steinberg, which required piggy-backing on Apple's transition to even get that. They'll have earned the CLAP slap if CLAP manages to succeed.
I'm glad CLAP came along and its pleasing to hear that Arturia is likely going CLAP.
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CLAP is certainly getting traction. I think it is the best thing that happened to plugins in a long time:pdxindy wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:13 pmSteinberg has been a big downer for plugins... they suck as a steward for an industry standard and VST3 has been a near disaster.PAK wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:50 am
VST3 adoption has been glacial, and there's arguments to be made (CLAP taking it beyond just an argument) that this whole area has caused market damage. Pretty much everyone (still updating products) is now making the move though, so it's not actually glacial by this point. Unfortunately most are wrapping VST2 products or aren't implementing many of the supposed advantages of VST3. (I mostly just want them to switch CPU use off, when idle, reliably!!) So it's a very hollow victory for Steinberg, which required piggy-backing on Apple's transition to even get that. They'll have earned the CLAP slap if CLAP manages to succeed.
I'm glad CLAP came along and its pleasing to hear that Arturia is likely going CLAP.
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CLAP is certainly getting traction. I think it is the best thing that happened to plugins in a long time:pdxindy wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:13 pmSteinberg has been a big downer for plugins... they suck as a steward for an industry standard and VST3 has been a near disaster.PAK wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:50 am
VST3 adoption has been glacial, and there's arguments to be made (CLAP taking it beyond just an argument) that this whole area has caused market damage. Pretty much everyone (still updating products) is now making the move though, so it's not actually glacial by this point. Unfortunately most are wrapping VST2 products or aren't implementing many of the supposed advantages of VST3. (I mostly just want them to switch CPU use off, when idle, reliably!!) So it's a very hollow victory for Steinberg, which required piggy-backing on Apple's transition to even get that. They'll have earned the CLAP slap if CLAP manages to succeed.
I'm glad CLAP came along and its pleasing to hear that Arturia is likely going CLAP.
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
loltony10000 wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:43 am FACTS:
- DAW-less production has become a big trend
Your thoughts?
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too. 
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
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None of them...
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8
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And there are even more people using hybrid systems with external synths and plugins.
