What is happening to Native Instruments?
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8
Of course you can choose where and what to buy.
I'm also happy that some developers offer awesome products at such bargain prices.
But just because someone who is good at plumbing and loves to do this next to his actual job is replacing all your water lines in your home for next to nothing, that companies who do this for a living should or could compete.
I don't know what you're doing for a living, but if there are also other principially generous people who do what you do at your job, but only ask a tenth of your wage (if anyhing at all), you'll sooner or later also have enough free time to learn coding and do samaritanian work as an unemployed
I'm also happy that some developers offer awesome products at such bargain prices.
But just because someone who is good at plumbing and loves to do this next to his actual job is replacing all your water lines in your home for next to nothing, that companies who do this for a living should or could compete.
I don't know what you're doing for a living, but if there are also other principially generous people who do what you do at your job, but only ask a tenth of your wage (if anyhing at all), you'll sooner or later also have enough free time to learn coding and do samaritanian work as an unemployed
The GAS is always greener on the other side!
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- KVRAF
- 9521 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
The law of Supply and Demand has a lot to do
with pricing. It would be a nice side-effect for
the music industry if more people of all ages
with more time at home turned to creating music,
and mastering instruments,
at the cost of rejecting the TV industry drivel.
(have you noticed that kids are afraid to be
heard 'practicing' with the attendant flaws,
which may be driving the canned-loops/beats/samples
market, where you drag & drop, with no clue what
a scale or key signature are, let alone being able
to play something in such a context.
Plumbing is hard work, done in somebody elses home
or business, if you screw it up, you cant blame anybody
else, and repairs are on you.
With bad code, you re-write the flaws in your pajamas,
issue a bug-fix update, and are hailed for supporting
your customers.
Many have become soccer-fan style plugin-bois,
where you hate those guys, love these guys,
that bunch is an evil corporation, and the really big names
are an evil empire...
Anyway, I'm done with buying softsynths.
I'll buy updates, a few sound libraires if they go
on mark-down, and maybe a Plugin-Boutique
$5 no-brainer. And like Allan Iverson says,
practice...practice...practice.
Cheers
with pricing. It would be a nice side-effect for
the music industry if more people of all ages
with more time at home turned to creating music,
and mastering instruments,
at the cost of rejecting the TV industry drivel.
(have you noticed that kids are afraid to be
heard 'practicing' with the attendant flaws,
which may be driving the canned-loops/beats/samples
market, where you drag & drop, with no clue what
a scale or key signature are, let alone being able
to play something in such a context.
Plumbing is hard work, done in somebody elses home
or business, if you screw it up, you cant blame anybody
else, and repairs are on you.
With bad code, you re-write the flaws in your pajamas,
issue a bug-fix update, and are hailed for supporting
your customers.
Many have become soccer-fan style plugin-bois,
where you hate those guys, love these guys,
that bunch is an evil corporation, and the really big names
are an evil empire...
Anyway, I'm done with buying softsynths.
I'll buy updates, a few sound libraires if they go
on mark-down, and maybe a Plugin-Boutique
$5 no-brainer. And like Allan Iverson says,
practice...practice...practice.
Cheers
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- KVRAF
- 2287 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
INTERFACE: RME ADI-2/4 Pro/Antelope Orion Studio Synergy Core/BAE 1073 MPF Dual/Heritage Audio Successor+SYMPH EQ
SYNTHS: Arturia Polybrute 12/Roland Jupiter X + Juno X/Yamaha Montage M/Yamaha KX88/Softsynths + Samplers
PEDALS: Chase Bliss Mood MK II
SYNTHS: Arturia Polybrute 12/Roland Jupiter X + Juno X/Yamaha Montage M/Yamaha KX88/Softsynths + Samplers
PEDALS: Chase Bliss Mood MK II
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- KVRAF
- 9521 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Seems to be quite a complete instrument
Hope the company succeeds beyond all expectations!
Hope the company succeeds beyond all expectations!
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8
i'm of course no intern, but i think the reason Stephan left, was because something already had changed within NI and he didn't feel the freedom to develop the stuff he wanted to.trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.
this often happens when companies become big and either the marketing teams are getting the say, or they're getting bought by some investors.
and in such cases, many of the original founders will eventually leave "their" company.
The GAS is always greener on the other side!
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
- Banned
- 6787 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
True to what's written above , but dont ' forget the other mastermind who still works a N.I. :trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
' Vadim Zavalishin' , the inventor of reaktor core that actually turned reaktor in a TRUE low level dsp playground.
As long as he's still there and Reaktor is in active development I'm good , I couldn't care less about the other plugins ( altough masssive X is serioulsy impressive )
I have noticed that since the big buy out I am flooded with N.I .kontakt promo video's on youtube , at least we now where the money goes
Eyeball exchanging
Soul calibrating ..frequencies
Soul calibrating ..frequencies
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Modular Manfred Modular Manfred https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=565538
- KVRist
- 87 posts since 23 May, 2022
Reaktor Core is amazing. I wish NI put more effort into developing new blocks. I really need a roland filter on the same level as their MS20.gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:17 amTrue to what's written above , but dont ' forget the other mastermind who still works a N.I. :trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
' Vadim Zavalishin' , the inventor of reaktor core that actually turned reaktor in a TRUE low level dsp playground.
As long as he's still there and Reaktor is in active development I'm good , I couldn't care less about the other plugins ( altough masssive X is serioulsy impressive )
I have noticed that since the big buy out I am flooded with N.I .kontakt promo video's on youtube , at least we now where the money goes![]()
Same goes for Molekular. Absolutely mind blowing they should update it.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 12002 posts since 12 May, 2008
What’s their ms20?Modular Manfred wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:59 amReaktor Core is amazing. I wish NI put more effort into developing new blocks. I really need a roland filter on the same level as their MS20.gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:17 amTrue to what's written above , but dont ' forget the other mastermind who still works a N.I. :trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
' Vadim Zavalishin' , the inventor of reaktor core that actually turned reaktor in a TRUE low level dsp playground.
As long as he's still there and Reaktor is in active development I'm good , I couldn't care less about the other plugins ( altough masssive X is serioulsy impressive )
I have noticed that since the big buy out I am flooded with N.I .kontakt promo video's on youtube , at least we now where the money goes![]()
Same goes for Molekular. Absolutely mind blowing they should update it.
- KVRian
- 932 posts since 23 May, 2010
It's impressive instrument. You actually have its engine inside NI Kontour.trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
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Modular Manfred Modular Manfred https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=565538
- KVRist
- 87 posts since 23 May, 2022
The SKF filter (the yellow one). That models the sallen key - MS20.Echoes in the Attic wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:09 pmWhat’s their ms20?Modular Manfred wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:59 amReaktor Core is amazing. I wish NI put more effort into developing new blocks. I really need a roland filter on the same level as their MS20.gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:17 amTrue to what's written above , but dont ' forget the other mastermind who still works a N.I. :trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
' Vadim Zavalishin' , the inventor of reaktor core that actually turned reaktor in a TRUE low level dsp playground.
As long as he's still there and Reaktor is in active development I'm good , I couldn't care less about the other plugins ( altough masssive X is serioulsy impressive )
I have noticed that since the big buy out I am flooded with N.I .kontakt promo video's on youtube , at least we now where the money goes![]()
Same goes for Molekular. Absolutely mind blowing they should update it.
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- KVRist
- 213 posts since 28 Aug, 2021
OMG thank you for the link, this is the first time I heard of Nonlinear Labs and C-15, I know who Stephen Schmitt is but I did not follow his new business adventure.trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
This C-15 sound absolutely incredible and inspiring!
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- KVRAF
- 2209 posts since 2 Jan, 2003 from right here...
...oh, yeah - Reaktor Blocks, what a great eco-system this could have been...
...they sound really great, but they seem to have a troubled history. While having a lot of potential, developing and maintaining certain things in Reaktor seem to be quite difficult (builders could surely tell more). And NI has certainly f**ked up the Blocks UX in some aspects (most likely not the designers' fault) and definitely the marketing side. A bit more time and ressources on the development and a clear marketing strategy and campaign, I think, the Blocks framework could have been really something. In hindsight it seems it had been 'dammit, we need something fast for the next Komplete'...
...they sound really great, but they seem to have a troubled history. While having a lot of potential, developing and maintaining certain things in Reaktor seem to be quite difficult (builders could surely tell more). And NI has certainly f**ked up the Blocks UX in some aspects (most likely not the designers' fault) and definitely the marketing side. A bit more time and ressources on the development and a clear marketing strategy and campaign, I think, the Blocks framework could have been really something. In hindsight it seems it had been 'dammit, we need something fast for the next Komplete'...
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Modular Manfred Modular Manfred https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=565538
- KVRist
- 87 posts since 23 May, 2022
So do you think they are not going to develop it further? I would hate if Blocks became abandonware.loachm wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:23 pm ...oh, yeah - Reaktor Blocks, what a great eco-system this could have been...![]()
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...they sound really great, but they seem to have a troubled history. While having a lot of potential, developing and maintaining certain things in Reaktor seem to be quite difficult (builders could surely tell more). And NI has certainly f**ked up the Blocks UX in some aspects (most likely not the designers' fault) and definitely the marketing side. A bit more time and ressources on the development and a clear marketing strategy and campaign, I think, the Blocks framework could have been really something. In hindsight it seems it had been 'dammit, we need something fast for the next Komplete'...
- KVRAF
- 3592 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
It's best to ask the bean counters...Modular Manfred wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:27 pmSo do you think they are not going to develop it further? I would hate if Blocks became abandonware.loachm wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:23 pm ...oh, yeah - Reaktor Blocks, what a great eco-system this could have been...![]()
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...they sound really great, but they seem to have a troubled history. While having a lot of potential, developing and maintaining certain things in Reaktor seem to be quite difficult (builders could surely tell more). And NI has certainly f**ked up the Blocks UX in some aspects (most likely not the designers' fault) and definitely the marketing side. A bit more time and ressources on the development and a clear marketing strategy and campaign, I think, the Blocks framework could have been really something. In hindsight it seems it had been 'dammit, we need something fast for the next Komplete'...
The're running the show now
No auto tune...
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- KVRAF
- 3086 posts since 4 May, 2012
This.gentleclockdivider wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:17 amTrue to what's written above , but dont ' forget the other mastermind who still works a N.I. :trusampler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:45 pm What happened to Native Instruments is a really simple answer. Stephan Schmitt left,along with many other good developers.If you we're a customer over about a decade or so ago, you would have seen development at it's finest for the time.
If you've ever really wondered what happened to Native Instruments brilliance , well here's the actual original Native Instruments developer / creator of reaktor etc. take a look at what he's building now.
https://www.nonlinear-labs.de/
https://bigbrainaudio.com/about/people/stephan-schmitt/
' Vadim Zavalishin' , the inventor of reaktor core that actually turned reaktor in a TRUE low level dsp playground.
As long as he's still there and Reaktor is in active development I'm good , I couldn't care less about the other plugins ( altough masssive X is serioulsy impressive )
I have noticed that since the big buy out I am flooded with N.I .kontakt promo video's on youtube , at least we now where the money goes![]()
I really hope Reaktor will see some serious updates soon. Efficient convolution at the primary level would be awesome.
