Stratus and Symphony are getting an update

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I don't want to jump into anyone else's bickering but Stratus and Symphony ARE the newer versions of those plugins and ARE superior in the sense that Izotope will keep supporting them (and they have multichannel capabilities). So it feels a bit like misinformation to say they're not based on some weird technicality about the engines being the same. That's not really relevant if you're, say a Mac user that wants to get the Nimbus/R4 in the future.

So in a nutshell, you’re saying something that will work (for a Mac user) is superior to something identical that won’t?

I can dig it.

Yes. The thing that works for everyone is better than the exact same thing that will only work for some people. Doesn't seem controversial.

So if you're a Mac user and you LOVE Nimbus and R4 and just have to have those Michael Carnes sounds in your DAW projects for years to come, Symphony and Stratus are the modern equivalents to those legacy plugins and are supported on modern Mac operating systems as well as PC (where the legacy plugins still work).

[jens]

Still doesn't make it a newer generation though...

if one twin dies and the other lives on for another twenty years is he/she suddenly of a younger generation in your opinion?

[zvenx]

Does Stratus and Symphony come with one or two activations per license?
thanks
rsp

[gaggle of hermits]

Does Stratus and Symphony come with one or two activations per license?
thanks
rsp

just the one.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Still doesn't make it a newer generation though...

if one twin dies and the other lives on for another twenty years is he/she suddenly of a younger generation in your opinion?

I'm not going to argue the semantics of it. Nimbus/R4 are legacy products. Symphony/Stratus are active products. It's the same base fudging algorithms in both. Yes! I'm not disputing that.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

just the one.

And for that I say f**k Izotope and their crap. They're one of the least customer-focused companies in the business with their BS upgrades, "legacy products", and outdated licensing policies. And then throw in the mess that is SoundWide...I could do without all of it. If Izotope shuttered, I'd be fine with that at this point.

[zvenx]

Does Stratus and Symphony come with one or two activations per license?
thanks
rsp

just the one.

Thanks..
rsp

[DJErmac]

I remember a time when Exponential Audio reverbs used to be the dream reverbs you wanted so bad but couldn’t afford...

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I remember a time when Exponential Audio reverbs used to be the dream reverbs you wanted so bad but couldn’t afford...

Yep. Shame what happened.

[DJErmac]

Value always is in your mind.

To me they’re still pristine. Much better sounding than the mediocre iZotope Neoverb they seem to have faith in.

R4 vs Neoverb ? Let’s laugh again.

[v1o]

Nice debate going on here.


Apart from multi channel surround capabilities do Stratus and Symphony have any other advantages?

[trmupstage]

From Michael Carnes - who wrote the code for all the Exponential Audio Reverbs:

"For what it's worth, Stratus and Symphony ARE stereo reverbs if that's what you need. I wrote them so that if you bring them up in a stereo track, they're stereo verbs (w stereo meters, etc). if you bring them up in a 5.1 track, they're 5.1. If you bring them up in 7.1.2 or quad, LCR, etc, then that's what they are. You don't have to do anything special. The CPU load is relative to the number of channels in your track. If you're in surround or immersive formats, you'll see a few more parameters that you won't see in stereo. I made them so that if you've created a user preset in stereo, it's going to work fine in any other format (and vice-versa). Lots of plugs you'll see have different forms for each channel format. That always bugged me. Why not make one version of the plug that will work anywhere you need it to work? So that's what I did.

So even if I'm working in stereo, I'll use Stratus and/or Symphony. They're the best reverbs I ever wrote, so that's what I reach for. So if you can get a good upgrade deal from Izotope (or any plugin site that sells Expo), you might consider grabbing them--even if you're never going to go past two channels. And as I said earlier, I think Izotope might be flexible with their upgrade pricing if you reach them in person. I still know a lot of people over there and they're good folks.
Michael Carnes"

I wasn't too keen on this whole thing either but things change. I got all those original reverbs for $10 each. I guess I will look at it a a paid demo of sorts. The upgrade price is not horrible so I may do that. Still a bit undecided. On a side note, Michael is a very smart and good guy. I may not like Izotope's policies, but Michael makes great reverbs.

[chk071]

just the one.

And for that I say f**k Izotope and their crap. They're one of the least customer-focused companies in the business with their BS upgrades, "legacy products", and outdated licensing policies.

Seems rather to be a "problem" with the Exponential Audio plugins (they always only had 1 activation). iZotope's other stuff can easily be activated on several computers using their Product Portal software.

[zvenx]

Yes but it is programmed that way or maybe it is the license arrangement with ilok.. that is to have one activation.
Izotope has the source code and they could have easily changed that if they wanted to..

rsp

[chk071]

Yes. Not much of an issue though, if you use a physical iLok.