What are the best reasons to use VST3 over VST2? or should I just use CLAP?
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- KVRAF
- 7030 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
As a Reaper on Linux, I can't begin to state how grateful I am to Cockos for their support of these formats!!
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(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
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- KVRist
- 248 posts since 13 Oct, 2018
Just one question : I experienced quite some time the fact that the vst2 version of a plugin goes to sleep if not processing anything, while the vst3 (that is supposed to have the nap feature native) doesn't.
For exemple, in the last A-Console plugin from Sonimus (I take this exemple because it's a brand new plugin, but it's also the case with some other plugins I have).
This kind of absurd behavior is making me immediatly doubtful regarding using vst3 versions of my plugins, but I may be wrong. I must say that the automation behavior and look (you get the plugin unit in the automation lane, and not some stupid 0-127 number) is much better with vst3. And Ableton live support guys always ask me to replace my vst2 instances with vst3, and tell me the vst3 is supposed to be more stable. But it's not always my experience (I'm on an Apple Silicon mac, using mainly Ableton Live).
Some guys around here seem to know a lot more than me about that, so I would be glad to understand why I encounter so often this particular issue (no nap with vst3 versions) and what does it mean about vst3 in general ?
For these kind of inconsistencies, I would be very glad to see Clap adopted by everybody... And by the way, I trust u-he much more than Steinberg...
For exemple, in the last A-Console plugin from Sonimus (I take this exemple because it's a brand new plugin, but it's also the case with some other plugins I have).
This kind of absurd behavior is making me immediatly doubtful regarding using vst3 versions of my plugins, but I may be wrong. I must say that the automation behavior and look (you get the plugin unit in the automation lane, and not some stupid 0-127 number) is much better with vst3. And Ableton live support guys always ask me to replace my vst2 instances with vst3, and tell me the vst3 is supposed to be more stable. But it's not always my experience (I'm on an Apple Silicon mac, using mainly Ableton Live).
Some guys around here seem to know a lot more than me about that, so I would be glad to understand why I encounter so often this particular issue (no nap with vst3 versions) and what does it mean about vst3 in general ?
For these kind of inconsistencies, I would be very glad to see Clap adopted by everybody... And by the way, I trust u-he much more than Steinberg...
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
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- KVRAF
- 24411 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Alexandre Bique is pretty much the most responsible for CLAP, as he started it before he even joined Bitwig in 2014. u-he basically backs the project up logistically and promotionally from what I understand - which is not exactly the same thing as being responsible for everything that goes into the standard.
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 29 Oct, 2015 from Jupiter 8
that's what i was understanding too, at least regarding the u-he involvement.
didn't know that the developer had joined Bitwig though.
didn't know that the developer had joined Bitwig though.
The GAS is always greener on the other side!
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
From my recent talk with u-he he does seem overly responsible. Then Bitwig mentions Urs as a member of the CLAP team. Why play down an obvious thing? https://www.bitwig.com/stories/sonic-ta ... -clap-206/EvilDragon wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:53 am Alexandre Bique is pretty much the most responsible for CLAP, as he started it before he even joined Bitwig in 2014. u-he basically backs the project up logistically and promotionally from what I understand - which is not exactly the same thing as being responsible for everything that goes into the standard.
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- u-he
- 30192 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
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- u-he
- 30192 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
Hm. What means "invested"? Are you in control of its development?
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- KVRAF
- 5444 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
I can’t remember if CLAP is a standard or a platform. This is, apparently, a crucial difference. I’m surprised nobody has created a useful meme to explain how one of them requires a load more development time while the other is clearly a universal ’good thing’.
j/k, I’m an Logic AU user, no skin in the game
j/k, I’m an Logic AU user, no skin in the game
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus
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- KVRAF
- 24411 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
No, u-he is not in control of the development of CLAP.Aleksey Vaneev wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:18 amHm. What means "invested"? Are you in control of its development?
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- KVRAF
- 5444 posts since 15 Feb, 2020
Akeksey didn’t choose his words wisely.EvilDragon wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:28 amNo, u-he is not in control of the development of CLAP.Aleksey Vaneev wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:18 amHm. What means "invested"? Are you in control of its development?
In control of, no. Prime mover, yes. No?
“It comes from a collaboration between Bitwig and u-he @
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
Well, I've asked him directly. It's nice you have an opinion he's not in control of its development.EvilDragon wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:28 amNo, u-he is not in control of the development of CLAP.Aleksey Vaneev wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:18 amHm. What means "invested"? Are you in control of its development?
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- u-he
- 30192 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I certainly helped make the idea popular. I tend to think I also came up with a lot of key concepts - such as making it independent of wide host adoption and spending money on open source projects that would further CLAP.
However, CLAP in its basic form was written and finished in 2014 or so. I just sat down with Bitwig and figured out what it takes to revive it in 2021. Alex and I certainly talked about some technical details, but I do not think my effort there went beyond giving my opinion. Other people went way deeper into implementation details.
My biggest development effort, time wise, was learning to use Hugo and setting up cleveraudio.org
As for "control of devlopment" - I have never assumed that, and now would be impossible to do so. Neither could Bitwig. Which is also what's pretty clearly laid out in every bit that we ever posted about CLAP.
However, CLAP in its basic form was written and finished in 2014 or so. I just sat down with Bitwig and figured out what it takes to revive it in 2021. Alex and I certainly talked about some technical details, but I do not think my effort there went beyond giving my opinion. Other people went way deeper into implementation details.
My biggest development effort, time wise, was learning to use Hugo and setting up cleveraudio.org
As for "control of devlopment" - I have never assumed that, and now would be impossible to do so. Neither could Bitwig. Which is also what's pretty clearly laid out in every bit that we ever posted about CLAP.