Which LiquidSonics Reverb?

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dangayle
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:08 pm

vitocorleone123 wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:25 pm Their reverbs are actually pretty straightforward, except for Illusion - which should be retired or updated and given a better focus now given the rest of the portfolio.
Hard disagree. Illusion is the one that can go further out there than any of the others. The others are emulating specific spaces or devices, while Illusion creating raw IRs of spaces that don't or can't exist.

Stop thinking of it as something for space design, start thinking of it as something for sound design,

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dangayle
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:10 pm

My preference:
Cinematic Rooms Pro
Illusion

That's it. I have all the others, but once I put something into CRP I'm usually done. Illusion is for making crazy sounds.

vitocorleone123
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:44 pm

dangayle wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:08 pm
vitocorleone123 wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 6:25 pm Their reverbs are actually pretty straightforward, except for Illusion - which should be retired or updated and given a better focus now given the rest of the portfolio.
Hard disagree. Illusion is the one that can go further out there than any of the others. The others are emulating specific spaces or devices, while Illusion creating raw IRs of spaces that don't or can't exist.

Stop thinking of it as something for space design, start thinking of it as something for sound design,
Stop thinking of it as sound design and start thinking of it as a product portfolio. That’s what I was talking about - the experience of shopping for and trying their reverbs. Illusion is a fine reverb unto itself.

MogwaiBoy
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:11 pm

My favourites are Lustrous Plates and Cinematic Rooms. I now have the Pro/Surround versions of both thanks to Liquidsonics loyalty system on top of the current sale. The way the discounts stack for return customers is awesome!

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LoveEnigma18
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Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:15 pm

zvenx wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:15 am Just make sure you do it before the sale ends.
So far their sales are really once a year.
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Yes, I will. I have a browser tab open for it until I take the decision/sale ends. Thanks.
vitocorleone123 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 pm
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:57 pm
vitocorleone123 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:41 pm
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:14 am I watched Tai Chi (full/standard) walkthrough video and now it makes me want it more than Lite. It's not as daunting as I originally thought and the advanced controls actually seem to be very useful. Also, there are 200 more presets than Lite, which should make things easier.

https://vimeo.com/744916251?embedded=tr ... =115984801
Buying Lite first and then upgrading to the Standard version using the 10% loyalty discount will provide a $7 saving compared to buying the Standard version outright for $99. It will also give some time to make the upgrade decision, as there are about 11 days still left in the sale.

This might be the most I would be spending for a single effect plugin ever, but I think it deserves it. After checking out demos of other LS/RF plugins, I think Tai Chi alone should be more than enough for me. It sounds the most impressive to me and also the GUI is absolutely gorgeous.
TC is a great general purpose reverb with a "vintage" flair. Lots of flexibility and depth. Lustrous Plates can do better plates, though. If you want to use 3rd party IRs plus get the M7 and Lexicon IRs as part of it, Reverberate 3 is a fantastic deal.

HDCart and Seventh Heaven are emulations, so, unless you want/love the originals, they aren't "needed".

Cinematic Rooms is more realistic (but can also have some color) and beautiful to my ears - but can't get wild like TC.

And then there's Illusion.

Generally speaking, the full versions are noticeably better than the standard ones - even if you work in stereo rather than surround.

This guy isn't my favorite presenter, but he does a good job of giving a detailed overview of Tai Chi
https://youtu.be/Zbdbo7kiDUk
By the way, what are all the "vintage reverbs" people are mentioning? Guess it's about clean/realistic sounding vs colourful reverbs?

So, for example, one would choose Cinematic Rooms for a cleaner sounding reverb and compliment it with Tai Chi for a more colourful/vintage sounding reverb?
Vintage = Lexicon, for example (among others).

Yes, Cinematic rooms (esp Pro) aims for realism, but you can add some modest color to it. TaiChi aims to be a flexible reverb, and can sound realistic or unrealistic. Cinematic Rooms can't have as much color to it as TaiChi can, and TaiChi isn't as good a realistic rooms and halls (etc) as Cinematic Rooms.

There's some overlap. TaiChi is the most flexible of the two, and is a very solid choice. If you were going to compliment it with another from Liquidsonics to get the most for your money, I'd suggest Lustrous Plates as having the least amount of overlap, or Reverberate 3 if you want to get into using IRs (including several fantastic sets that are included).

If I was limited to one and only one reverb, I'd use Cinematic Rooms Pro. Thankfully, I can also use TaiChi and Lustrous Plates Surround (I only work in stereo - the top-end version generally give a lot more control), plus have several others in my "less used" reverb sub-folder.

But it really comes down to using the demos and using your ears to see what they love the most, not your wallet (which also factors in, of course).
Solid advice, thanks for your time and help. Tai Chi indeed seems to be the best sweet spot for me right now.

Apart from Tai Chi, I demoed some others too, and I liked Illusion next. However, I will skip it for time being and just be content with Tai Chi, which itself was an unplanned purchase this Black Friday season. If at all I get one more discount coupon and can stack it to get another reverb in the next few days, I will look at one between Lustrous Plates, Illusion, Reverberate 3 and Cinematic Rooms.

For now, I will go with both my ears and wallet. :tu:

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Post Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:52 am

dangayle wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:10 pm My preference:
Cinematic Rooms Pro
Illusion

That's it. I have all the others, but once I put something into CRP I'm usually done. Illusion is for making crazy sounds.
I’ve got a few of great reverbs for making crazy sounds. Blackhole, B2, and I’ll probably pick up Big Sky this Christmas. I was hoping for a sale… evidently not from Strymon this year. I’m sure Illusion is great, but from looking at the basic specs, it doesn’t seem to have the special effect type things that Big Sky has.
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aMUSEd
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Post Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:17 am

dangayle wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:10 pm My preference:
Cinematic Rooms Pro
Illusion

That's it. I have all the others, but once I put something into CRP I'm usually done. Illusion is for making crazy sounds.
Really? I wish it had some more interesting spaces - I know it is based in resynthesised IRs but on the whole they seem to be more on the non crazy side - I would love to see some Spectral relativity type IRs in there

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LoveEnigma18
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Post Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:48 pm

So, I am tempted to get one more reverb if I can with the 30% off stacking coupons. Considering I have Tai Chi (Full) now, would it better to choose Illusion instead of Cinematic Rooms Standard? Pro is way out of reach. I like the sound of both, but Illusion seems to be more value for money at lower cost - has a lot of great presets, seems more broader in scope and has tons of controls if needed. I hope there's not much overlap with Tai Chi if at all. I know there's good bit of information already shared, but any further advice is appreciated. I know I will also get a slightly better discount coupon of 22.5% with Illusion, but I must stop just there!

(Seventh Heaven Standard doesn't seem to be worth it and Lustrous Plates being specific to Plates may not be very useful to me and $99 is frankly still quite high to spend on it. Reverberate 3, which is complicated, and HD Cart offer no real benefits and I wasn't much impressed with their sound either.)

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plexuss
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Post Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:18 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:48 pm So, I am tempted to get one more reverb if I can with the 30% off stacking coupons. Considering I have Tai Chi (Full) now, would it better to choose Illusion instead of Cinematic Rooms Standard? Pro is way out of reach. I like the sound of both, but Illusion seems to be more value for money at lower cost - has a lot of great presets, seems more broader in scope and has tons of controls if needed. I hope there's not much overlap with Tai Chi if at all. I know there's good bit of information already shared, but any further advice is appreciated. I know I will also get a slightly better discount coupon of 22.5% with Illusion, but I must stop just there!

(Seventh Heaven Standard doesn't seem to be worth it and Lustrous Plates being specific to Plates may not be very useful to me and $99 is frankly still quite high to spend on it. Reverberate 3, which is complicated, and HD Cart offer no real benefits and I wasn't much impressed with their sound either.)
Because of The Law of GAS, you will end up with them all, so it doesn't really matter what you get now or later. Just pick what you think will be the best choice. But don't worry. In less than a year you'll have the whole product line.

Ask me how I know...

*burp*

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Post Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:57 am

plexuss wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:18 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:48 pm So, I am tempted to get one more reverb if I can with the 30% off stacking coupons. Considering I have Tai Chi (Full) now, would it better to choose Illusion instead of Cinematic Rooms Standard? Pro is way out of reach. I like the sound of both, but Illusion seems to be more value for money at lower cost - has a lot of great presets, seems more broader in scope and has tons of controls if needed. I hope there's not much overlap with Tai Chi if at all. I know there's good bit of information already shared, but any further advice is appreciated. I know I will also get a slightly better discount coupon of 22.5% with Illusion, but I must stop just there!

(Seventh Heaven Standard doesn't seem to be worth it and Lustrous Plates being specific to Plates may not be very useful to me and $99 is frankly still quite high to spend on it. Reverberate 3, which is complicated, and HD Cart offer no real benefits and I wasn't much impressed with their sound either.)
Because of The Law of GAS, you will end up with them all, so it doesn't really matter what you get now or later. But don't worry. In less than a year you'll have the whole product line.

Ask me how I know...

*burp*
Haha, I was afraid of getting such a reply (not in negative way of course). I am really hoping to avoid that now that I have demoed all their plugins (briefly) and know what I am actually interested in.
Just pick what you think will be the best choice.
Yeah, for now I am leaning towards Illusion. Just thought to get some more suggestions before I pull the trigger.

Thanks. :tu:

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masterhiggins
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Post Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:03 am

plexuss wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:18 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:48 pm So, I am tempted to get one more reverb if I can with the 30% off stacking coupons. Considering I have Tai Chi (Full) now, would it better to choose Illusion instead of Cinematic Rooms Standard? Pro is way out of reach. I like the sound of both, but Illusion seems to be more value for money at lower cost - has a lot of great presets, seems more broader in scope and has tons of controls if needed. I hope there's not much overlap with Tai Chi if at all. I know there's good bit of information already shared, but any further advice is appreciated. I know I will also get a slightly better discount coupon of 22.5% with Illusion, but I must stop just there!

(Seventh Heaven Standard doesn't seem to be worth it and Lustrous Plates being specific to Plates may not be very useful to me and $99 is frankly still quite high to spend on it. Reverberate 3, which is complicated, and HD Cart offer no real benefits and I wasn't much impressed with their sound either.)
Because of The Law of GAS, you will end up with them all, so it doesn't really matter what you get now or later. Just pick what you think will be the best choice. But don't worry. In less than a year you'll have the whole product line.

Ask me how I know...

*burp*
Well, with their discount system it matters money-wise. It helps to calculate which to buy first to get the best combo of discounts. I was looking at getting cr/7h/7hp/hdcart and depending on which order you buy them you can save yourself like $70.

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martiu
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Post Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:06 am

Hi, Illusion, Reverberate 3 and Cinematic Rooms pro best reverbs
buy now :)
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:08 am

Does anyone know if coupons once used can be used again or they become invalid? Might sound silly, and I could be wrong, but I am getting a feeling that the coupons could be stacked again and again.

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aMUSEd
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Post Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:05 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:08 am Does anyone know if coupons once used can be used again or they become invalid? Might sound silly, and I could be wrong, but I am getting a feeling that the coupons could be stacked again and again.
They can

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LoveEnigma18
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Post Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:14 am

aMUSEd wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:05 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:08 am Does anyone know if coupons once used can be used again or they become invalid? Might sound silly, and I could be wrong, but I am getting a feeling that the coupons could be stacked again and again.
They can
So, that's the sucker here. :lol:

Thanks.

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