The Reason's new beta with VST3 support has arrived now

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v1o
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3283 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:56 am

RikkShow wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:21 pm They didn't implement midi out this time either, so a half implementation of VST3...
This is no surprise. They don't want to disrupt the market for RE Player devices.
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jens
KVRAF
22162 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:49 am

v1o wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:56 am I don't see why Reason users are so giddy.
Como?
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Psuper
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681 posts since 3 May, 2018

Post Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:45 pm

v1o wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:56 am VST3 support is nice but they are late with what has become a bog standard and pretty unexciting feature in the industry. I don't see why Reason users are so giddy.
Props ship left ages ago in their DAW department, burned their sails to ashes in the 3rd party RE development, blew a hole in their hull in their R&D department and tossed out their last corked 'save me! bottle which sank immediately after striking a 'customer service life boat'... which also sank.
Have you tried Vital?

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Atlatnesiti
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580 posts since 3 Apr, 2018

Post Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:37 am

Psuper wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:45 pm
v1o wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:56 am VST3 support is nice but they are late with what has become a bog standard and pretty unexciting feature in the industry. I don't see why Reason users are so giddy.
Props ship left ages ago in their DAW department, burned their sails to ashes in the 3rd party RE development, blew a hole in their hull in their R&D department and tossed out their last corked 'save me! bottle which sank immediately after striking a 'customer service life boat'... which also sank.
That is the funniest post I’ve ever read on KVR :hihi:
Sadly it is very true

Trensharo
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427 posts since 29 Dec, 2019

Post Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:40 pm

v1o wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:56 am
RikkShow wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:21 pm They didn't implement midi out this time either, so a half implementation of VST3...
This is no surprise. They don't want to disrupt the market for RE Player devices.
They want to sell you that Chord Sequencer 1.1

Lol.

Honestly, if the Players weren't so basic while being so expensive, this would be less of an issue to me. I'd buy Chord Sequencer if it were as good as Scaler 2 while costing significantly more, for example.

They just aren't, and that's kind of the issue with the feature not being there. It's like they are trying to protect home court, but they aren't even delivering the goods to merit such an extreme stance on this. It's not like they release players often, either. It can be years before they deliver a player that actually addresses what people want this feature (to enable them) to accomplish - if they ever get around to it at all.

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Bartone
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255 posts since 4 Apr, 2021

Post Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:45 pm

VST3 support has arrived... in 2022...

v1o
KVRAF
3283 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:36 am

It's not clear what direction Reason is heading. The vocal users on forums want Reason to become a full fledged DAW like Cubase or Logic. Whereas I think the company itself sees Reason as a rack of devices (instruments, sequencers & fx) you can plug into any DAW or optionally run standalone. From what I've read from the developers they enjoy making devices, they're not as fond of DAW stuff like adding video support and viewing/editing notation.

So Reason has an identity crisis. There's alot of movement and consolidation in the industry. Steven Slate recently cashed out and sold to Audiotonix. Presonus, NI, Izotope and PA were all involved in mergers or acquisitions. Without a clear path forward these guys maybe next.
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Atlatnesiti
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580 posts since 3 Apr, 2018

Post Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:55 am

Bartone wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:45 pm VST3 support has arrived... in 2022...
Apple M1 support is next…
Hopefully this year-not many days to go to fulfill the promise :wink: o3

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KVRist
147 posts since 14 Oct, 2015

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:26 am

I don't care about the VST3 where the hell is the m1 native support? they said they will bring on version 12 and that is why I bought it but nothing to be seen. This is the exact reason I left in the first place and they are doing it again and again. Slow like a turtle

chk071
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33355 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:28 am

Atlatnesiti wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:55 am
Bartone wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:45 pm VST3 support has arrived... in 2022...
Apple M1 support is next…
You guys are insatiable.

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I wonder if the Reason Rack plugin also will become M1 native when Reason will become M1 native.

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Tj Shredder
KVRAF
8198 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:53 am

I only need a Reason Rack plugin without subscription and for a reasonable price… The should look at it as their main ecosystem… If I need a DAW I fire up mine. For a reason its not Reason…

kvndree
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1 posts since 1 Dec, 2022

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:45 am

chk071 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:28 am
Atlatnesiti wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:55 am
Bartone wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:45 pm VST3 support has arrived... in 2022...
Apple M1 support is next…
You guys are insatiable.

:P

I wonder if the Reason Rack plugin also will become M1 native when Reason will become M1 native.
Oof! I am absolutely depending on the Reason Rack plugin in becoming M1 Native soon. It didn't even occur to me that it might get separated out from the larger update. Say it aint so!

chk071
KVRAF
33355 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:51 am

I have no idea. My guess is that it will both become M1 native. Anything else would be surprising.

Crossinger
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420 posts since 21 Nov, 2000 from somewhere over the rainbow

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:15 am

chk071 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:28 am I wonder if the Reason Rack plugin also will become M1 native when Reason will become M1 native.
With Reason 12 it looks like they have „modularized“ the code. At least iirc the Rack Plugins are no longer >300MB in size so they must somehow share code with the Reason core app. So my guess would be: whatever they have changed for M1 will affect the entire product.

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Tronam
KVRAF
1983 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:09 pm

The VST3/M1 port seems like as good a time as any to overhaul the codebase for future growth. The more recent updates have brought significant improvements to thread handling with multicore CPUs and welcome changes to UI handling, not just the highDPI/retina assets, but also GPU acceleration. It feels like it’s taking forever, but I’m still hoping we’ll see both an M1 native rack and stand-alone DAW before the next major release. I bought into 12 with that expectation based on their roadmap.

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