Which LiquidSonics Reverb?

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chagzuki
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Post Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:28 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:55 am Take a look at Tai Chi, same price.

https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/tai-chi/
Cheers, yes, I'd just bought the lite version and didn't realise the full version had that functionality. I'll have to consider upgrading. The features are very well thought out, and it's a great-sounding reverb, for sure.
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masterhiggins
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Post Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:50 am

chagzuki wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:28 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:55 am Take a look at Tai Chi, same price.

https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/tai-chi/
Cheers, yes, I'd just bought the lite version and didn't realise the full version had that functionality. I'll have to consider upgrading. The features are very well thought out, and it's a great-sounding reverb, for sure.
It’s an extraordinarily flexible reverb. The multi band RT60 contours give you a huge range of effects. It’s cool to emphasize the upper midrange decay times and subtle chorus for a shimmering effect.

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LoveEnigma18
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Post Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:08 am

masterhiggins wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:50 am
chagzuki wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:28 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:55 am Take a look at Tai Chi, same price.

https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/tai-chi/
Cheers, yes, I'd just bought the lite version and didn't realise the full version had that functionality. I'll have to consider upgrading. The features are very well thought out, and it's a great-sounding reverb, for sure.
It’s an extraordinarily flexible reverb. The multi band RT60 contours give you a huge range of effects. It’s cool to emphasize the upper midrange decay times and subtle chorus for a shimmering effect.
Agree with both.

Yeah, the upgrade is definitely worth it. I bought Lite first too, but once I watched the official walkthrough on their website, I was sold. There's also a helpful video linked a couple pages back.

And here's the same channel demonstrating only audio examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_YSq0S_PaQ

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martiu
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Post Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:32 am

i am addicted to reverbs and i am not sure why
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:18 am

martiu wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:32 am i am addicted to reverbs and i am not sure why
You are not the only one. :)

chagzuki
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2875 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london

Post Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:20 am

Any recommendations for the specific use case of adding lively ambience to electronic drums? I'm less interested in a realistic room than something that sounds 'alive' (whatever that means), and which doesn't create a brittle and harsh reflected echo of the kick transient (as early reflection modellers tend to do).
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yellowmix
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Post Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:01 am

Tai Chi Lite can imbue a lot of character, and sounds great on drums with aggressive transients. You choose room style, reflections from a list of reflection patterns, spacing (which depends on pattern and pre-delay). It helps to understand how the patterns are named. It's a number and letter. Numbers increase with size, letter increments with reflectivity. So choose whatever size you want, and A-C.

You can also totally kill the ER and get the reverb only, or mix balance between the two.

Tai Chi full adds dynamics so you get a ducker to further shape attacks.

vitocorleone123
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1365 posts since 30 Jun, 2014 from Pacific NW

Post Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:10 pm

chagzuki wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:20 am Any recommendations for the specific use case of adding lively ambience to electronic drums? I'm less interested in a realistic room than something that sounds 'alive' (whatever that means), and which doesn't create a brittle and harsh reflected echo of the kick transient (as early reflection modellers tend to do).
CRP offers the best early reflections on the market. Pro, so you can control it. Will you like it? You’d need to demo it long enough to learn some of the controls.

TaiChi is quite good, as well.

Calagan
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Post Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:11 am

Tai Chi is amazing and excels at colored vintage vibes (but can do transparent too).
CR is amazing and excels at natural and transparent reverberation, with (as already said) the best early reflections I know on the market. But it can’t make colored crazy stuff. I use it mainly for positionning things in space, not for hearing obvious reverb.
Difficult to choose, but for electronic music I would choose Tai Chi. It’s an amazing and very versatile reverb, and it’s both easy to use and very tweakable.

vitocorleone123
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Post Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:47 am

Calagan wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:11 am Tai Chi is amazing and excels at colored vintage vibes (but can do transparent too).
CR is amazing and excels at natural and transparent reverberation, with (as already said) the best early reflections I know on the market. But it can’t make colored crazy stuff. I use it mainly for positionning things in space, not for hearing obvious reverb.
Difficult to choose, but for electronic music I would choose Tai Chi. It’s an amazing and very versatile reverb, and it’s both easy to use and very tweakable.
I’d choose CRP first every time, and I make electronic music. There’s space (ha) for both, similar as why I enjoyed both R4 and Nimbus.

You can make CRP obvious (but not as obvious as you can make TaiChi). Don’t know about CR as I don’t use that version.

chagzuki
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Post Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:20 am

Calagan wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:11 am Tai Chi is amazing and excels at colored vintage vibes (but can do transparent too).
CR is amazing and excels at natural and transparent reverberation, with (as already said) the best early reflections I know on the market. But it can’t make colored crazy stuff. I use it mainly for positionning things in space, not for hearing obvious reverb.
Difficult to choose, but for electronic music I would choose Tai Chi. It’s an amazing and very versatile reverb, and it’s both easy to use and very tweakable.
IMO it's something of a challenge in mixing to find the best compromise between clarity and sense of space. I suppose one might say that clarity results from elements being differentiated in the soundstage, and that's true, but there's still a gap in clarity between sounds which have little or no reverb and those which do in the sense that any form of reverb creates some degree of veiling of detail.
The 'in your face' quality of having things upfront (often with distortion) can also bring with it a sense that those elements are presented as though flattened across a 2D piece of paper, but at the same time to introduce reverb to create a more 3d/voluminous impression can reduce the aggressiveness and clarity. So I wonder if the holy grail particularly for electronic music is a reverb which manages as much as possible to preserve clarity whilst still creating a sense of dimensionality.
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LoveEnigma18
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Post Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:33 pm

I have Tai Chi, Reverberate 3 and Illusion thus far and could pick one more before the sale ends.

Does it make sense to get Seventh Heaven Professional instead of Cinematic Rooms Standard? Cinematic Rooms Professional looks a bit complicated. Also, I think it is not as versatile as Seventh Heaven and more suitable for placing real recorded instruments in a "room" and orchestral/soundtrack stuff, but I could be wrong. Not sure I "need" either, but both seem to be adding nice, clean ambience, which is not very obvious until you take them off. I am into pop/rock/hip-hop/electronic genres by the way.

So, I also think if Seventh Heaven Standard for supercheap with loyalty coupons might just be good enough. But then, there is no direct upgrade path to Professional and I would need to surrender my Standard license if I were to upgrade, so might as well get Professional instead. So, that's where the question in the first sentence comes up.

Not that suggestions so far haven't been helpful, but just to continue the discussion a bit more before the sale ends and I get back to actually start using the acquired reverbs.

becseigy
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Post Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:14 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:33 pm I have Tai Chi, Reverberate 3 and Illusion thus far and could pick one more before the sale ends.

So, I also think if Seventh Heaven Standard for supercheap with loyalty coupons might just be good enough. But then, there is no direct upgrade path to Professional and I would need to surrender my Standard license if I were to upgrade, so might as well get Professional instead. So, that's where the question in the first sentence comes up.
I can give you one piece of advice. if you don't have Seventh Heaven, make sure you get one, because you can't live without it later. :)
If you want quick solutions, the standard version will be enough for you.
And for the coupons you've collected, it's worth it even if you buy the PRO version next year.
(it's worth keeping both, because you can work with the standard one very quickly if you need to)

if you're on a tight budget, I'd buy an S7 Standard for pennies first, and then use all the coupons you've collected so far to buy a CR Standard. :)

Calagan
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Post Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:42 am

But is S7 standard really necessary if you own Reverberate ?
The M7 IR are pretty amazing in reverberate...

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LoveEnigma18
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Post Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:53 am

becseigy wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:14 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:33 pm I have Tai Chi, Reverberate 3 and Illusion thus far and could pick one more before the sale ends.

So, I also think if Seventh Heaven Standard for supercheap with loyalty coupons might just be good enough. But then, there is no direct upgrade path to Professional and I would need to surrender my Standard license if I were to upgrade, so might as well get Professional instead. So, that's where the question in the first sentence comes up.
I can give you one piece of advice. if you don't have Seventh Heaven, make sure you get one, because you can't live without it later. :)
If you want quick solutions, the standard version will be enough for you.
And for the coupons you've collected, it's worth it even if you buy the PRO version next year.
(it's worth keeping both, because you can work with the standard one very quickly if you need to)

if you're on a tight budget, I'd buy an S7 Standard for pennies first, and then use all the coupons you've collected so far to buy a CR Standard. :)
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. Yes, quick solution is always great, but compared to Cinematic Rooms Pro, Seventh Heaven Pro looks a bit easier to use/control, which is why I was thinking to get only one of the Seventh Heaven versions. I could certainly leave Cinematic Rooms Standard/Pro for next year, assuming the choice of going with Seventh Heaven (first) is better. I do understand your thought process though and I could possibly do that. :)

But...
Calagan wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:42 am But is S7 standard really necessary if you own Reverberate ?
The M7 IR are pretty amazing in reverberate...
This is another reason, which I forgot to mention, why I have been debating with myself about getting Seventh Heaven Professional instead of Standard if at all.

I wonder if Seventh Heaven is the next cleanest sounding reverb to Cinematic Rooms in LS catalog?

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