Comparing Dune 3.5 With Hive 2

[Teksonik]

I can't find the quote now but I seem to remember Richard saying at one point in regards to MPE that DUNE 3's Differential Unison Engine and architecture is too complex to make MPE practical or perhaps possible.

I don't want to put words in his mouth so you can enquire about MPE on the Synapse forums and get the word right from him.

When we consider that D3 is 8 synths in one, each with 3 Oscs, 4 synthesis types, dual filters, two FX racks, Dual Arp/Seqs etc, etc, then we can see where it might be too complex to make MPE control practical.

I'm sure someone is furiously banging away now on their keyboard "but XYZ synth is complex and it has MPE" so again it's better to let Richard explain his reasoning in his own words.

Synapse did add MPE to The Legend so it's not a foreign concept to them.

I'd love to know what percentage of the market actually owns an MPE device. I know the ones who do are quite vocal about it but I don't know if that makes them numerous or just loud.

[astralprojection]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

[astralprojection]

IMO it's apples and oranges. I see myself using them for different things, Dune 3 which I've had for a while and Hive 2 which I just bought.

Sound wise, I don't think they sound anything alike. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I just think that they're not interchangeable as say Arturia's DX 7 and Dexed are. Even FM 8 could be thrown in there. To me, they're all basically the same. Dune 3 and Hive 2 are worlds apart both in architecture and sound.

when you say they dont sound anything alike, could you pick out either of them in a blind test? cause theres a guy on these forums who make tests like that all the time, latest one was Vital vs Serum.
See, whenever people make these sort of claims "they sound nothing alike" it gets me all roused up, since i believe you couldnt tell them apart in a blind test. Or that it would be at the very least; extremely difficult. I even believe this very same guy, made a comparison between Hive2 and JP8000 - and they sounded near identical as far as supersaw goes.

[DJErmac]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

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[PieBerger]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

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My dad's plugin is bigger than your dad's plugin!

[astralprojection]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

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anyway, @lfo8, you know what to do.

[astralprojection]

im just gonna say quickly that dune 3 is way better than hive 2. in every way.
disclaimer: the only good u-he synth there is is Zebra (bazille is nice aswell but i mean, its a bit of a niche synth tbh) The others are rubbish, diva included (which i think personally speaking, sounds bad.). Wow big whoof you wanna fight about it?

aviary-image-1671724850267.jpeg

anyway, @lfo8, you know what to do.

[wagtunes]

IMO it's apples and oranges. I see myself using them for different things, Dune 3 which I've had for a while and Hive 2 which I just bought.

Sound wise, I don't think they sound anything alike. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I just think that they're not interchangeable as say Arturia's DX 7 and Dexed are. Even FM 8 could be thrown in there. To me, they're all basically the same. Dune 3 and Hive 2 are worlds apart both in architecture and sound.

when you say they dont sound anything alike, could you pick out either of them in a blind test? cause theres a guy on these forums who make tests like that all the time, latest one was Vital vs Serum.
See, whenever people make these sort of claims "they sound nothing alike" it gets me all roused up, since i believe you couldnt tell them apart in a blind test. Or that it would be at the very least; extremely difficult. I even believe this very same guy, made a comparison between Hive2 and JP8000 - and they sounded near identical as far as supersaw goes.

Taking a patch from each that isn't a plain saw or square wave or some basic bass patch, yes, I can absolutely tell the two apart not because I know Hive so well but because I know Dune inside and out. Not only do I know every patch in the factory library like the back of my hand, I have made not one but two of my own libraries. In fact, Dune 3 is probably one of the few synths I can tell from everything else.

This stems from my ability to pick out people's voices blindly. Whenever my wife is watching TV and I'm at the computer not paying attention to the visual but just hearing the dialogue, as soon as someone starts talking, if I'm familiar with the actor (obviously) I know IMMEDIATELY who it is. I am almost never wrong because Jimmy Stewart (It's A Wonderful Life) sounds nothing like Peter Finch (Network) who sounds nothing like Buddy Hackett and so on and so on.

In short, I have an excellent ear.

Sure, some synths I can't tell from a hole in a wall because they're so generic sounding. But Dune 3, to my ears anyway, has a sound that no other synth has.

But by all means, don't take my word for it. Go post a sound from Hive and a sound from Dune 3. If I can't tell the difference it is ONLY because the sounds are non descript and generic. Hell, I can't tell ABL 3's 303 bass from Diva's to save my life. Nor do I care to. To me, a bass is a bass and as long as it has a low end, it works for my music. But Dune 3 is special and that's why I say without any doubt that I can tell it from Hive 2. In fact, as much as I know Dune 3 inside and out, I may be able to tell it from every other synth ever made. I may not be able to tell you what the other synth is, but I can sure tell you which one Dune 3 is.

[astralprojection]

IMO it's apples and oranges. I see myself using them for different things, Dune 3 which I've had for a while and Hive 2 which I just bought.

Sound wise, I don't think they sound anything alike. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I just think that they're not interchangeable as say Arturia's DX 7 and Dexed are. Even FM 8 could be thrown in there. To me, they're all basically the same. Dune 3 and Hive 2 are worlds apart both in architecture and sound.

when you say they dont sound anything alike, could you pick out either of them in a blind test? cause theres a guy on these forums who make tests like that all the time, latest one was Vital vs Serum.
See, whenever people make these sort of claims "they sound nothing alike" it gets me all roused up, since i believe you couldnt tell them apart in a blind test. Or that it would be at the very least; extremely difficult. I even believe this very same guy, made a comparison between Hive2 and JP8000 - and they sounded near identical as far as supersaw goes.

Taking a patch from each that isn't a plain saw or square wave or some basic bass patch, yes, I can absolutely tell the two apart not because I know Hive so well but because I know Dune inside and out. Not only do I know every patch in the factory library like the back of my hand, I have made not one but two of my own libraries. In fact, Dune 3 is probably one of the few synths I can tell from everything else.

This stems from my ability to pick out people's voices blindly. Whenever my wife is watching TV and I'm at the computer not paying attention to the visual but just hearing the dialogue, as soon as someone starts talking, if I'm familiar with the actor (obviously) I know IMMEDIATELY who it is. I am almost never wrong because Jimmy Stewart (It's A Wonderful Life) sounds nothing like Peter Finch (Network) who sounds nothing like Buddy Hackett and so on and so on.

In short, I have an excellent ear.

Sure, some synths I can't tell from a hole in a wall because they're so generic sounding. But Dune 3, to my ears anyway, has a sound that no other synth has.

But by all means, don't take my word for it. Go post a sound from Hive and a sound from Dune 3. If I can't tell the difference it is ONLY because the sounds are non descript and generic. Hell, I can't tell ABL 3's 303 bass from Diva's to save my life. Nor do I care to. To me, a bass is a bass and as long as it has a low end, it works for my music. But Dune 3 is special and that's why I say without any doubt that I can tell it from Hive 2. In fact, as much as I know Dune 3 inside and out, I may be able to tell it from every other synth ever made. I may not be able to tell you what the other synth is, but I can sure tell you which one Dune 3 is.

@lfo8
he says he has an excellent ear.

[chk071]

triple post? how did this happen?

I often confuse the edit and quote buttons.

[wagtunes]

IMO it's apples and oranges. I see myself using them for different things, Dune 3 which I've had for a while and Hive 2 which I just bought.

Sound wise, I don't think they sound anything alike. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I just think that they're not interchangeable as say Arturia's DX 7 and Dexed are. Even FM 8 could be thrown in there. To me, they're all basically the same. Dune 3 and Hive 2 are worlds apart both in architecture and sound.

when you say they dont sound anything alike, could you pick out either of them in a blind test? cause theres a guy on these forums who make tests like that all the time, latest one was Vital vs Serum.
See, whenever people make these sort of claims "they sound nothing alike" it gets me all roused up, since i believe you couldnt tell them apart in a blind test. Or that it would be at the very least; extremely difficult. I even believe this very same guy, made a comparison between Hive2 and JP8000 - and they sounded near identical as far as supersaw goes.

Taking a patch from each that isn't a plain saw or square wave or some basic bass patch, yes, I can absolutely tell the two apart not because I know Hive so well but because I know Dune inside and out. Not only do I know every patch in the factory library like the back of my hand, I have made not one but two of my own libraries. In fact, Dune 3 is probably one of the few synths I can tell from everything else.

This stems from my ability to pick out people's voices blindly. Whenever my wife is watching TV and I'm at the computer not paying attention to the visual but just hearing the dialogue, as soon as someone starts talking, if I'm familiar with the actor (obviously) I know IMMEDIATELY who it is. I am almost never wrong because Jimmy Stewart (It's A Wonderful Life) sounds nothing like Peter Finch (Network) who sounds nothing like Buddy Hackett and so on and so on.

In short, I have an excellent ear.

Sure, some synths I can't tell from a hole in a wall because they're so generic sounding. But Dune 3, to my ears anyway, has a sound that no other synth has.

But by all means, don't take my word for it. Go post a sound from Hive and a sound from Dune 3. If I can't tell the difference it is ONLY because the sounds are non descript and generic. Hell, I can't tell ABL 3's 303 bass from Diva's to save my life. Nor do I care to. To me, a bass is a bass and as long as it has a low end, it works for my music. But Dune 3 is special and that's why I say without any doubt that I can tell it from Hive 2. In fact, as much as I know Dune 3 inside and out, I may be able to tell it from every other synth ever made. I may not be able to tell you what the other synth is, but I can sure tell you which one Dune 3 is.

@lfo8
he says he has an excellent ear.

Whatever

[astralprojection]

triple post? how did this happen?

I often confuse the edit and quote buttons.

then you hit submit only to get into the editor, then you hit submit again and all of a sudden you have 3 identical posts

[PieBerger]

Whatever

you already wasted more time and energy then you should have, obviously a slow day at the office and looking to windup folks to pass the time

[astralprojection]

Whatever

you already wasted more time and energy then you should have, obviously a slow day at the office and looking to windup folks to pass the time

not by a long shot, lfo8 made these "tests" or "contests" between synths before, so how is it a "slow day in the office" thats just a lame cop out.

[DJErmac]

@lfo8
he says he has an excellent ear.

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