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[BBFG#]

Please take this ADSR conversation elsewhere as it is dragging on now.
Good luck with it, but I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that this isn't the place for it.
Thanks

Sorry, but I believe when company sales get fouled like this that this is the best place to have this discussion. Giving us a heads up to prevent or at least mitigate in future sales. As long as it doesn't turn into ideological politics of those countries and centers mainly on the dealer itself, imo, it's fair game. Knowing this information helps me steer clear of unethical practices backed by laws supporting them.

And a well informed membership is what KVR is about.

[Kurdish Mayfield]

Please take this ADSR conversation elsewhere as it is dragging on now.
Good luck with it, but I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that this isn't the place for it.
Thanks

Youre not alone in saying this should be a private conversation. At this point we're all being forced to judge the behavior of the participants and I really dont want to be judging people. For me , there is nothing to learn about ADSR, I've bought most of my samples from them over the last few years and theyve always been great, including refunding me on a duplicate purchase that was all my fault

[ROTMetro]

Nectar refund started

Did izotope pull your Nectar license?

indeed it is strange, still on my Izotope account, on ADSR account; it says at orders 'refunded', under software; there is still the key.... so not deleted even in the ADSR account....
didn't receive the refund by the way, yet; which i refused, with an emal to ADSR, and also send an email to Izotope.
i am not a legal expert, but i think you can't void a legal transaction, it was and is a legal transaction.

It's a good thing people don't get their legal advice from Internet forums:

https://www.eccnederland.nl/en/news/inc ... st-mistake

Indeed.

Because that EU website is legal info for the EU only. And it speaks of an order before it is filled. It's saying if you see a price error on a website and order this product, that the retailer has the right to refuse or refund your money and not send you the license key.

But the orders have been filled in this situation -- the licenses have been delivered, those licenses have been registered on the manufacturer's website, and that software has been installed and licensed.

And the comment that lead to my post was...wait for it... talking about European orders and EU rules specifically. What a trainwreck this thread is.

Where does the link specify before and order is filled? All I see is that the seller can cancel the order. The fact the it was a digital good sold makes it pretty simple to do that.

[ROTMetro]

Please take this ADSR conversation elsewhere as it is dragging on now.
Good luck with it, but I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that this isn't the place for it.
Thanks

Sorry, but I believe when company sales get fouled like this that this is the best place to have this discussion. Giving us a heads up to prevent or at least mitigate in future sales. As long as it doesn't turn into ideological politics of those countries and centers mainly on the dealer itself, imo, it's fair game. Knowing this information helps me steer clear of unethical practices backed by laws supporting them.

And a well informed membership is what KVR is about.

What informed membership? I just see self entitled people complaining that they might not get to take advantage of a pricing mistake. It educates me as to their personality but not much more.

I'm pretty sure we all already know that you aren't guaranteed to get a product when it's not legitimately a sale price but is instead a pricing mistake (except for maybe younger members just experiencing the real world for the first time which would explain their total lack of empathy or understanding of the situation and 'I'm entitled to it' attitude).

[HM]

Please take this ADSR conversation elsewhere as it is dragging on now.
Good luck with it, but I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that this isn't the place for it.
Thanks

Sorry, but I believe when company sales get fouled like this that this is the best place to have this discussion. Giving us a heads up to prevent or at least mitigate in future sales. As long as it doesn't turn into ideological politics of those countries and centers mainly on the dealer itself, imo, it's fair game. Knowing this information helps me steer clear of unethical practices backed by laws supporting them.

And a well informed membership is what KVR is about.

Agree

(as for the wish to silence the subject, one could only guess from where that is comming)

[Uncle E]

Plus the entire discussion is around a plugin that people only care about because it was basically given away. iZotope makes some incredible plugins but, let's face it, Nectar didn't exactly take the world by storm.

[El°HYM]

Plus the entire discussion is around a plugin that people only care about because it was basically given away. iZotope makes some incredible plugins but, let's face it, Nectar didn't exactly take the world by storm.

...something to think about!

[Double Tap]

Wow I’d forgotten this was about Nectar. Tbh I’d ask for ALL my money back.

[Uncle E]

Wow I’d forgotten this was about Nectar. Tbh I’d ask for ALL my money back.

LOL

[agharta]

Sorry, but I believe when company sales get fouled like this that this is the best place to have this discussion.

Why don't you start a thread somewhere else on the forum and when the whole thing has been resolved, you can report back here and give a link for those still interested.
Some time around 2045 works for me.
This sub forum isn't a place to discuss retailers or developers, it's about deals.

[BBFG#]

Sorry, but I believe when company sales get fouled like this that this is the best place to have this discussion.

Why don't you start a thread somewhere else on the forum and when the whole thing has been resolved, you can report back here and give a link for those still interested.
Some time around 2045 works for me.
This sub forum isn't a place to discuss retailers or developers, it's about deals.

Or when a deal is rescinded.
And it's this discussion that informs all that read it and have enough cognition to understand its relevance. It's exactly why this thread was started to separate it from the no chat deal thread.

BTW, I didn't buy it. Have considered iZotope to be a general loss in my purchases and have not even shopped ADSR for a long time since I can't remember ever seeing any great deal better than what others were discounting plugins for. But I thank those that posted these problems to keep us better informed.

[Kurdish Mayfield]

Plus the entire discussion is around a plugin that people only care about because it was basically given away. iZotope makes some incredible plugins but, let's face it, Nectar didn't exactly take the world by storm.

I only got Nectar as part of a bundle but for people producing pop music this shouldnt be slept on. Its the best combo processor to get a modern commercial vocal sound on the market

[oneshotdeal]

So what's up with so many people selling Soundtoys 5 for $150ish all of a sudden?

[VitaminD]

Nectar refund started

Did izotope pull your Nectar license?

indeed it is strange, still on my Izotope account, on ADSR account; it says at orders 'refunded', under software; there is still the key.... so not deleted even in the ADSR account....
didn't receive the refund by the way, yet; which i refused, with an emal to ADSR, and also send an email to Izotope.
i am not a legal expert, but i think you can't void a legal transaction, it was and is a legal transaction.

It's a good thing people don't get their legal advice from Internet forums:

https://www.eccnederland.nl/en/news/inc ... st-mistake

Indeed.

Because that EU website is legal info for the EU only. And it speaks of an order before it is filled. It's saying if you see a price error on a website and order this product, that the retailer has the right to refuse or refund your money and not send you the license key.

But the orders have been filled in this situation -- the licenses have been delivered, those licenses have been registered on the manufacturer's website, and that software has been installed and licensed.

And the comment that lead to my post was...wait for it... talking about European orders and EU rules specifically. What a trainwreck this thread is.

Where does the link specify before and order is filled? All I see is that the seller can cancel the order. The fact the it was a digital good sold makes it pretty simple to do that.

Where did it state your response was directed at an earlier EU post?

But think about it. If you order an item, the order is logged at the retailer, and then it is up to the retailer to look at this order list or log and either reject the order or fulfill the order. After that has occurred, the transaction is complete. It's a done deal. Are you saying the retailer can say, 'my mistake I shouldn't have taken your money and given you a product.' or?

It seems the retailer's only recourse in a pricing mistake is before the item is shipped/delivered. After that it is no longer their product, the purchaser has taken ownership. The retailer doesn't get 30 day money back guarantee on sales to consumers if it feels like it didn't get enough money from you after you've taken ownership of the product.

Maybe the laws are anti-consumer in the EU, where they can knock on your door and ask for the item you bought last Tuesday. But I doubt it. And that page you pointed to doesn't state retailers in the EU can do this. Actually it proves what I'm telling you, "You should not have assumed that the price was correct and for that reason the seller does not have any obligation to deliver." Keyword: deliver. In this case, the product has been delivered.

Which is why this is a healthy discussion. Because it seems like this retailer, specifically, is attempting to essentially steal the product back in some manner after they've already accepted money and delivered the product..

[re.mark]

Plus the entire discussion is around a plugin that people only care about because it was basically given away. iZotope makes some incredible plugins but, let's face it, Nectar didn't exactly take the world by storm.

I only got Nectar as part of a bundle but for people producing pop music this shouldnt be slept on. Its the best combo processor to get a modern commercial vocal sound on the market

Sure fire way to add 2 seconds latency to any project too.