One Synth Challenge #167: Any One DAW Synth (Taron Wins!)

[kylebenjamin]

I'd like a second (or third, or fourth...) opinion on something to confirm that it's within the stated limits for this month.

I'm doing a single-instance thing with just stock Reaper plugins (ReaSynth, ReaEQ, ReaVerb, etc.) One of the stock plugins is ReaPitch, which is a pitch-shifter that also has a formant filter section. I am not—I repeat, NOT—using the pitch-shifting feature of ReaPitch (which would blatantly violate the rules). I am solely utilizing the formant filter part (and only a single parameter of it) for a subtle timbral change in a section of the song. My sense is that this is legal, but I wanted to put it out there so no one is surprised when they see "ReaPitch" in my list of effects.

It can be argued that the same effect can be generated using EQ, so the perceived sound would essentially be the same either way. The formant filter just saves me some work.

Thanks in advance for your input.

[abot81]

I interpreted the discussion to say that all parameters of a JSFX are fair game. Which kind of does seem a bit unfair given what this gives you access to.

[ELEX]

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4. Reaper: The JSPlugins can be considered as native to the DAW

I take this to mean that any JS synth can be used with Reaper. Not that any and all JS effects can be viewed as part of JS synths. So it seems to me that this...

you can use any jsfx synth and effects

would be entirely too optimistic. Effects ( inc. DAW native) are still subject to normal rules, afaik.

I am not—I repeat, NOT—using the pitch-shifting feature of ReaPitch (which would blatantly violate the rules). I am solely utilizing the formant filter part (and only a single parameter of it) for a subtle timbral change in a section of the song. My sense is that this is legal, but I wanted to put it out there so no one is surprised when they see "ReaPitch" in my list of effects.

I agree. No rule would actually be violated. Though I would like to remark that things will get terribly confusing if plugin use like this were to become commonplace.

[kylebenjamin]

Effects ( inc. DAW native) are still subject to normal rules, afaik.

I completely agree. Using a jsfx synth is different than using any jsfx effect.

I am not—I repeat, NOT—using the pitch-shifting feature of ReaPitch (which would blatantly violate the rules). I am solely utilizing the formant filter part (and only a single parameter of it) for a subtle timbral change in a section of the song. My sense is that this is legal, but I wanted to put it out there so no one is surprised when they see "ReaPitch" in my list of effects.

I agree. No rule would actually be violated. Though I would like to remark that things will get terribly confusing if plugin use like this were to become commonplace.

I agree with this as well. I suppose there's also the flip side of using, say, a reverb that has a parameter for modulation (which is allowed in limited amounts). That also raises the idea of how a chorus (for example) isn't allowed, but creating a chorusing effect with multiple detuned oscillators is allowed. It is indeed a bit tricky.

[TheNeverScene]

ReaPitch is a shift effect...pitch or formant....and imo is not considered a JS, but a daw effect. You will be whipped, flogged, tarred, feathered and banished for even considering using such a vile plug of ill regard. You should be ashamed of yourself.

That said and all jokes aside (which my comment was), hats off to anyone using ReaSynth. It is a turd on many levels and not worthy of the word "synth"......should be called ReaCalculatorWatch

[gorgorgathgorgorgor]

for people looking for a daw synth, Lmms has Zynaddsubfx builtin.

This has made me question EVERYTHING. I've never heard of LMMS, but Zynaddsub is one of my favorite things ever. I may indeed abandon VCV this month (if I even have time to do a thing)

[TheNeverScene]

ReaPitch is a shift effect...pitch or formant....and imo is not considered a JS, but a daw effect. You will be whipped, flogged, tarred, feathered and banished for even considering using such a vile plug of ill regard. You should be ashamed of yourself.

That said and all jokes aside (which my comment was ), hats off to anyone using ReaSynth. It is a turd on many levels and not worthy of the word "synth"......should be called ReaCalculatorWatch

[TheNeverScene]

Oh Lawd, that was supposed to be an edit, not me quoting my dumbass self

[TheNeverScene]

ZynAddSubFX 3.0 looks amazing....not how I remember it at all years ago

[kylebenjamin]

ReaPitch is a shift effect...pitch or formant....and imo is not considered a JS, but a daw effect. You will be whipped, flogged, tarred, feathered and banished for even considering using such a vile plug of ill regard. You should be ashamed of yourself.

That said and all jokes aside (which my comment was), hats off to anyone using ReaSynth. It is a turd on many levels and not worthy of the word "synth"......should be called ReaCalculatorWatch

Jokes very much appreciated!

ReaSynth is rather limited (to say the least), hence my using ReaPitch as a formant filter. That said, I'm finding there are some creative ways of getting semi-useable sounds out of ReaSynth. If it didn't have that extra sine mix, I don't think I'd be trying a single-instance piece.

[Frank Geppert]

To my esteemed Reaper colleagues: I have tried out the JS ReaRack scripts and am thrilled at what they can produce in the end. It is a collection of scripts that make a modular synthesizer possible, so you can e.g. connect generators for the envelope with the amplifier but also with the filter and in Reaper you can modulate EVERY parameter anyway. Since there are sound oscillators but also a noise generator, I was able to create plucks, leads, drums, FX and pads with it and I'm surprised how good it sounds in the end.

Here's my current state, maybe I'll change it a bit before the month is out:

https://soundcloud.com/frank-geppert-19 ... al_sharing

[glenzo]

Happy New Year!

This is my entry, using 48 instances of Logic ES2, and native plug-ins only for EQ, compression and limiting:

https://soundcloud.com/therealgl3n/glen ... al_sharing

Good luck to all!

[Juergen]

Happy New Year to all
It's been a while since I've been here and participated in the KVR Challenge.
This year I want to participate more often.
Here is a first idea

https://soundcloud.com/user-221952934-5 ... al_sharing


DAW: Studio One
Synth: Mai Tai

Have a nice day
Juergen

[MadMcMan]

So here's my track.
https://soundcloud.com/madmcman/auld-skool-shimmy

As i'm going to be off on my summer holidays soon i don't think i'll have time to make any further changes.

made in bitwig using only the grid to generate sounds.

using 27 instances of the grid.

FX
Paid:
Adptr Metric AB
BX MasterDesk
Ozone 9 Elements
Scaler 2
Shadow Hills Mastering
SmartComp2
TDR Kotelnikov GE
TDR Limiter 6 GE

Free:
Airwindows Monitoring3
KHS Transient Shaper
Span
TDR Nova
Valhalla Supermassive

Bitwig:
Convolution
Delay+
Drum Machine
EQ+
EQ-2
EQ-5
Instrument Layer
Instrument Selector
Mid Side Split
Note Transpose
PolyGrid
Reverb

[cake builder]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there anything against using Note FX in Bitwig? Some creative layering with the Note FX could give the illusion of certain effects that are not allowed, but would be achievable by anyone with tedious intricate programming since it is all happening at the MIDI note level.