KVR Audio

skijumptoes · Post by **skijumptoes** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:33 am

Mike777 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:38 am Yamaha knows what they are doing.

Except the Lately bass patch comes with an arp enabled..... Whhhhaaaaaattt?!

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:43 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:55 am
tekknovator wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:08 pm
fmr wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:57 am
wvshpr wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:55 am On a slightly more serious note, it's baffling how an instrument with so many creative possibilities has no MPE.
Maybe because of that, exactly.

Another thing: Anmyone know if there are any new presets using the new Spectral feature? So far I didn't find any (but I spent a lot of time around the FM)
Hm, I don't understand. I use halion 6 with my linnstrument all the time. It is plug and play in cubase. I just have to select the note expression instrument input and then I can play with all controls supported. Did I miss something?
You did. It only works in Cubase, not other daws. Not even poly aftertouch works in other daws.

Glad I read that, was about to buy…not going to now! Maybe I will wait until there is a demo- I used to own an early version and it was horrible on a 4K monitor.

Charlie Firpo · Post by **Charlie Firpo** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:49 am

Can you automate the steps levels (destination pitch) in the step Envelope?

digitallysane · Post by **digitallysane** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:21 pm

ReiKru wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:52 pm Got my update too. Do i need my MODX anymore?

I think I'll enjoy my MODX even more now.
It's an interesting thing, that some were dreaming of on various forums: we have now a current hardware synth that has an almost exact replica in software. I can sketch FM-X patches on the MODX and then start my computer and refine them and expand them in HALion.
Sure it would be nice to have a way to directly translate MODX FM-X patches to HALion, and I think it would be technically possible with all modulations and assignements (the new X-LFO in HALion looks suspiciously similar to the Motion Sequences in MODX), but I doubt they'll do that.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:24 pm

The cross grade is pretty good saving (from 300 to 214) - from Falcon, Komplete, Kontact or Omnisphere

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:48 pm

Charlie Firpo wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:49 am Can you automate the steps levels (destination pitch) in the step Envelope?

yes

Charlie Firpo · Post by **Charlie Firpo** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:48 pm

PAK wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:48 pm
Charlie Firpo wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:49 am Can you automate the steps levels (destination pitch) in the step Envelope?
yes

The step envelope can modulate pitch, but i can't seem to automate each individual steps (the bars)? Halion is new to me so maybe i've missed something.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:05 pm

SLiC wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:43 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:55 am
tekknovator wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:08 pm
fmr wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:57 am
wvshpr wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:55 am On a slightly more serious note, it's baffling how an instrument with so many creative possibilities has no MPE.
Maybe because of that, exactly.

Another thing: Anmyone know if there are any new presets using the new Spectral feature? So far I didn't find any (but I spent a lot of time around the FM)
Hm, I don't understand. I use halion 6 with my linnstrument all the time. It is plug and play in cubase. I just have to select the note expression instrument input and then I can play with all controls supported. Did I miss something?
You did. It only works in Cubase, not other daws. Not even poly aftertouch works in other daws.
Glad I read that, was about to buy…not going to now! Maybe I will wait until there is a demo- I used to own an early version and it was horrible on a 4K monitor.

Just to be totally clear, I haven’t tried Halion 7. I tested Halion 6 in Bitwig and while the per voice pitch bend did work, I could not get any kind of per voice aftertouch, be it per channel in an mpe mode or simple poly aftertouch. And thete did not seem to be any way to get the expression modulators to respond to mpe messages. I tried on forums and could not come up with anything. So as far as I can tell you can get per voice pitch bend but nothing else outside of Cubase. And I’m guessing that if that had changed they would have said something, or someone would have. But I don’t know for sure.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:28 pm

Charlie Firpo wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:48 pm The step envelope can modulate pitch, but i can't seem to automate each individual steps (the bars)? Halion is new to me so maybe i've missed something.

There's so many automatable things that you have to assign stuff manually. Usually you do that with a right click (Assign to new automation). However the step-sequencer doesn't do it that way. I'm guessing it's this which is likely what's confusing you.

Go to the top of your current sounds window, click the plus button (create tab) and add "Automation". Select "All" inside of there. Now you can see what's assigned in HALion.

Next, enable automation Read and Write on the plugin (R and W in Cubase). Now, go to the Stepmod window and select the step "nodes" with the arrows (the small box next to the # sign at the bottom left of the stepmod window ). As you select up/down it will assign them as automatable, and you should see them appear in the HALion automation tab you created - the names will be Zone.Stepmod.Step X where "X" is the step number. (Note: it won't let you assign anything if you didn't draw something on the step!!)

To see them in the host (assuming Cubase) show automation on the track, click where it says volume, select more, and then HALion. Inside there you can select the HALion automation which will appear in your Cubase automation lane. HTH

Charlie Firpo · Post by **Charlie Firpo** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:01 pm

PAK wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:28 pm [

There's so many automatable things that you have to assign stuff manually. Usually you do that with a right click (Assign to new automation). However the step-sequencer doesn't do it that way. I'm guessing it's this which is likely what's confusing you.

Go to the top of your current sounds window, click the plus button (create tab) and add "Automation". Select "All" inside of there. Now you can see what's assigned in HALion.

Next, enable automation Read and Write on the plugin (R and W in Cubase). Now, go to the Stepmod window and select the step "nodes" with the arrows (the small box next to the # sign at the bottom left of the stepmod window ). As you select up/down it will assign them as automatable, and you should see them appear in the HALion automation tab you created - the names will be Zone.Stepmod.Step X where "X" is the step number. (Note: it won't let you assign anything if you didn't draw something on the step!!)

To see them in the host (assuming Cubase) show automation on the track, click where it says volume, select more, and then HALion. Inside there you can select the HALion automation which will appear in your Cubase automation lane. HTH
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Got it! Thank you very much for the clear explanation Pak!

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:01 pm

They already have the HALion 7 manual out. 684 pages of RTFM

https://steinberg.help/halion/v7/en/HAL ... ual_en.pdf

I have no idea why I love reading these, but here we go ... read, mess around, rinse, and repeat.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:49 pm

CPU can go through the roof in the spectral re-synthesis oscillator when using unison mode with two or more voices, to save some CPU cycles, reduce the maximum frequency in the analysis window (similar to reducing the amount of partials in an additive synth). The overall quality of the re-synthesis is really impressive.

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:35 pm

Plogue's OPS7 is less than half the price of FM Lab VST. Has anyone compared them yet?

OPS7 is meant to be the most accurate emulation of the DX7, capturing all the nuances and the warmth of the original instrument.

burkek · Post by **burkek** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:34 pm

SLiC wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:43 am Glad I read that, was about to buy…not going to now! Maybe I will wait until there is a demo- I used to own an early version and it was horrible on a 4K monitor.

Halion 7 is equally horrible on a 4K monitor (I have a 32") and the GUI is not resizable. Vendors are still somehow stuck in a 1080p universe when a large part of the pro market has moved on to 4K years ago.

Oh, and in dark mode on the Mac, some of the Halion 7 dialogue box buttons are white text on a light grey background. Can't even read it. Very, very sloppy.

KEv

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:57 pm

burkek wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:34 pm
SLiC wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:43 am Glad I read that, was about to buy…not going to now! Maybe I will wait until there is a demo- I used to own an early version and it was horrible on a 4K monitor.
Halion 7 is equally horrible on a 4K monitor (I have a 32") and the GUI is not resizable. Vendors are still somehow stuck in a 1080p universe when a large part of the pro market has moved on to 4K years ago.

Oh, and in dark mode on the Mac, some of the Halion 7 dialogue box buttons are white text on a light grey background. Can't even read it. Very, very sloppy.

KEv

Doesn’t sound good, what are they thinking?