Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[Leo1999]

Hello
I completely disagree with some posts here holding the opinion Avenger is not versatile soundwise or limited to club music only. Imo it can cover almost every music style. The factory sounds and the big choice of top notch expansions give you a huge choice to create sounds for a lot of styles. The modulation potential is the best I know.
Avenger's most outstanding features for me are
sound quality, macro assignments, modenv, fm, quality of effects and the huge modulation potential for expressive and creative sound design. You can create any sound you want and as to in the face sounds Avenger is unmatched and can sound as analog as real analog synths.
I made a video with sound examples of Funkomanic presets to show a different side of Avenger and different music style different from what you are used to.

If all the audio in your vid is Avenger, then you must have a different version than me and I have 1.85. C'mon, it's so obvious that you used some tape sim and analog synth in addition or maybe also samples. Avenger 's effect section has no tape sim! Hiding this obvious information is not cool, sorry, not cool at all!
Every synth has its character and recognizability!

Hello
What exactly makes you think it's not AVENGER?
AVENGER is the only synth I used, all effects are AVENGER, no additional synth or fx!
There's only a limiter on master bus not colouring the sound.

sounds fantastic, where do we go to get the pack? on the youtube i don't see a link...

Hello
thanks. Well, I just wanted to show how versatile Avenger is. I am not going to become a Youtuber, it's my first video, maybe 3 or 4 more this year. I am rather a live performer, but covid made me go deeper into sound design and I created several presets with different plugins. Avenger is my favourite one and I saved several hundred presets and recently just started to organize them and Funkomanic is my first one.
I spend a lot of time on optimizing the presets, especially macro assignments, modenv, modwheel, AT and effects to make them work great on funk music, but they are not limited to funk just like vps xps are not limited to club music or edm.
A friend of mine suggested to offer it as donationware after some people had asked where to get the presets, I am in two minds about it, though.

Really cool! Saw your post some days ago but forgot to watch the video. You used Distopia sounds for funk? I watched the Distopia Avenger video and it's a XP I like, but it's not funky at all. Nevertheless very nice to hear Avenger in a genre one would not expect.
Your 2nd track is so weird, first I thought there is something wrong with my ears haha, weird, but I like it

[JS_SEA]

Dystopia is my fav expansion with awesome sounds. A garden full of inspiration. You can take any sound and shape it into something completely different, Avenger offers so many ways to create new sounds.
Yes the crazy monk is weird and I was in a funky mood, not sure whether I could play it exactly the same a second time

[Krovatin]

Avenger can NOT play samples pitched up/down without changing speed/length, like TAL sampler or Melodyne. Even Avenger 2.0 as I right understand will not do it. IMHO, this is much more important feature than some "advanced" arpeggiator etc.

[kevvvvv]

twa! said

but WHO is actually making incredible patches with it? Manuel and the others are making unbelievable expansions for Avenger. I have searched far and wide for the best synth patches and nothing ever drops my jaw, until I heard the expansions in Avenger.

True fanboy story here:

Before Avenger came out I was very aware of Manuel Schleis's music, and his awesome work on Vanguard.

I thought he had more musical feeling & invention in his little finger than ......

So I bought Avenger 1 on a hunch, because there was a top quality musician, Manuel, behind it

- and not merely a brilliant coder, with an also-ran muso for the dems and presets, ie, the sounds we hear and pay for

By contrast, non-official XPs mostly reveal lesser musicianship.

They just aren't as good across the board as Manuel and his handpicked team.

[idoru97214]

To be fair, I would agree with him that it is not that present in global marketing. Saying KVR loves it isn't quite the same as saying it is huge.

Yes, but by thinking a bit further and i.e. having a look at Manuels house in later vids and the huge Hardware park he´s running, I would say he doesn´t suffer from too little food for the next day...

Taking all together I would say they are quite happy with the sale numbers... so why investing a lot of money and work into additional advertising with always the risk that it doesn´t reflect in sufficient additional sales to justify the investment of both...

Just spitting out some assumptions without any deeper knowledge of what is really happening is actually just hot air...
Who are we to question what they perhaps have done already perfectly right with the biggest success (cost-benefit wise) possible... besides the fact that it´s actually none of our own business at all...

I mean Manuel is how long in this business?? 25 years?? Perhaps even a bit more??
I would assume he has collected enough experiences to find the best way working for him...

Dude. All I said was it isn't very present in global marketing. Because it's not.

And just because KVR loves something doesn't mean it's huge. Also true.

There was no judgment.

I don't even no who you are taking about. Manuel. Don't care.

I had Avenger for about a year several years ago. Wasn't as impressed as some here. Sold it.

Glad you like it. Glad you worship whoever Manuel is.

[Leo1999]

twa! said

but WHO is actually making incredible patches with it? Manuel and the others are making unbelievable expansions for Avenger. I have searched far and wide for the best synth patches and nothing ever drops my jaw, until I heard the expansions in Avenger.

True fanboy story here:

Before Avenger came out I was very aware of Manuel Schleis's music, and his awesome work on Vanguard.

I thought he had more musical feeling & invention in his little finger than ......

So I bought Avenger 1 on a hunch, because there was a top quality musician, Manuel, behind it

- and not merely a brilliant coder, with an also-ran muso for the dems and presets, ie, the sounds we hear and pay for

By contrast, non-official XPs mostly reveal lesser musicianship.

They just aren't as good across the board as Manuel and his handpicked team.

It depends on what you like and on your music genre. There are only about a handful xps that are different from the usual stuff, the rest is pretty repetetive and that's why it gets boring to listen to more than three vps xp videos. They are all high quality, the best examples are Italo 1-3, you really must be someone who doesn't care about wasting money if you buy all three xps ( € 210!!!) and there are more examples. I can't imagine to buy more than 3 vps xps and someone here recommended 3rd party xps, they are more attractive to me, also the guy who posted his 90s xp here or the funk xp, they seem to bring something new to the table.
The best and cheapest way is to make your own presets but it takes some time to know all features. The VPS team musicianship is very good, but focused on edm and whatever you call the similar rest mainly, it's a different musicianship from soul, r&b, funk, reggae, rock, latin, blues, afrobeat, gospel, classical music and jazz musicians and I am pretty sure now that Avenger could cover all these genres, but don't expect to get it from VPS.

[twal]

There's almost 7,000 people in Avenger facebook, and they all probably didn't purchase it, but if even half had or like 30% that's a lot of sales imo. So, it may not be so popular on here but it seems to be doing pretty well; and most people on kvr aren't really blown away by synths in general because they are critical while musicians in general get excited about something they like without critiquing it into the ground. That's just how it is, it's the same with Magic the Gathering, you have a bunch of players who will degrade almost every new card that comes out while I'm winning tournaments. Should be an epiphany for those ready for it, who currently downplay everything cool for the sake of overthinking.

[ROTMetro]

KVR keep on KVR'in. No one here cares if they picked the 'cool kids' VST, they care about how as a tool it improves their music. The TB-303 was a complete sales flop in 1982 and discontinued in 1984 but even today there are a couple of musicians who still use it or it's sound. Sales numbers/popularity doesn't mean anything to me but you focus on the things important to you we all have different priorities.

[noiseboyuk]

KVR keep on KVR'in. No one here cares if they picked the 'cool kids' VST, they care about how as a tool it improves their music. The TB-303 was a complete sales flop in 1982 and discontinued in 1984 but even today there are a couple of musicians who still use it or it's sound. Sales numbers/popularity doesn't mean anything to me but you focus on the things important to you we all have different priorities.

Excellent post.

I’ve lost sight of what y’all are even arguing at this point.

[Jac459]

Just purchased Avenger yesterday based on various feedbacks and how boy does 8t deliver.
I really love its sound and richness. I am a bit scared by its complexity though...

On the down side I had one crash this morning.... is it something happening often? I am on mbp m2 pro....

[olepro]

I never had a crash with Avenger

[Jac459]

I never had a crash with Avenger

Apple silicon? Or intel/amd.

[olepro]

Intel i5, very old 10+ years

[Jac459]

Maybe that's why...

[pierb]

Avenger can NOT play samples pitched up/down without changing speed/length, like TAL sampler or Melodyne. Even Avenger 2.0 as I right understand will not do it. IMHO, this is much more important feature than some "advanced" arpeggiator etc.

Not sure about v1 but v2 will definitely have time stretching. Manuel has posted some videos already.