Reason 12 is here

[Jac459]

25-30 years ago there was a technical reason why macos was better than Windows for musicians. It was the way the multitasking was operating and the lag it was alloying on midi drivers...
Not that the multitasking of macos was "better" it was just better for this specific scenario.

Honestly though it always required a super careful Extension setup to have a rock solid Mac OS 9 setup. You would have one for internet etc. and one for music. There's a reason multitasking took off. With OS X and it's multitasking OS, MIDI and audio drivers are built in to the OS, so yeah at first it would be more stable etc. than Windows.

At this point there's little difference though, audio and MIDI are so slow that any limitations in the software is fixed by how fast the hardware is. It's actually a great time to be into DAWs and music regardless of OS!

I am talking even before macos x... macos x is a young lady of 22 years....
And to be fair, the transition to "modern" multitasking, which is "pre-emptive multitasking" was first introduced by win95 5 years before macos... but with some reliability issues that we (the elders) remember....

[machinesworking]

25-30 years ago there was a technical reason why macos was better than Windows for musicians. It was the way the multitasking was operating and the lag it was alloying on midi drivers...
Not that the multitasking of macos was "better" it was just better for this specific scenario.

Honestly though it always required a super careful Extension setup to have a rock solid Mac OS 9 setup. You would have one for internet etc. and one for music. There's a reason multitasking took off. With OS X and it's multitasking OS, MIDI and audio drivers are built in to the OS, so yeah at first it would be more stable etc. than Windows.

At this point there's little difference though, audio and MIDI are so slow that any limitations in the software is fixed by how fast the hardware is. It's actually a great time to be into DAWs and music regardless of OS!

I am talking even before macos x... macos x is a young lady of 22 years....
And to be fair, the transition to "modern" multitasking, which is "pre-emptive multitasking" was first introduced by win95 5 years before macos... but with some reliability issues that we (the elders) remember....

Yeah I mentioned that above, OS 9 is where you had Extension sets that made MIDI and DAWs stable pre multi tasking. Windows was like you said already multitasking. I always though Apple learned from that (Win95) and added Core Audio and MIDI straight into OS X as a preeemptive measure etc.

[aMUSEd]

25-30 years ago there was a technical reason why macos was better than Windows for musicians. It was the way the multitasking was operating and the lag it was alloying on midi drivers...
Not that the multitasking of macos was "better" it was just better for this specific scenario.

Honestly though it always required a super careful Extension setup to have a rock solid Mac OS 9 setup. You would have one for internet etc. and one for music. There's a reason multitasking took off. With OS X and it's multitasking OS, MIDI and audio drivers are built in to the OS, so yeah at first it would be more stable etc. than Windows.

At this point there's little difference though, audio and MIDI are so slow that any limitations in the software is fixed by how fast the hardware is. It's actually a great time to be into DAWs and music regardless of OS!

I am talking even before macos x... macos x is a young lady of 22 years....
And to be fair, the transition to "modern" multitasking, which is "pre-emptive multitasking" was first introduced by win95 5 years before macos... but with some reliability issues that we (the elders) remember....

Yeah I mentioned that above, OS 9 is where you had Extension sets that made MIDI and DAWs stable pre multi tasking. Windows was like you said already multitasking. I always though Apple learned from that (Win95) and added Core Audio and MIDI straight into OS X as a preeemptive measure etc.

I think more that it was already in NeXTSTEP (and before that BSD UNIX) which OS-X is largely built upon.

[EnochLight]

Even there you're very very likely wrong. Propellerheads were always cross platform, since v1 it's always seemed a straight split. In fact outside of KVR there really is no area either online or in studios, on stage etc. where PC's are more common. In fact it's the opposite, I see about 20% PCs at shows in professional and home studios, and I live 30 miles from Redmond WA and Microsoft HQ.

You could live on the moon for all I care - your "stats" are meaningless. I could easily state that as far as the home desktop computing market is concerned, less than 17% of the entire world is on MacOS. Statistically speaking by that metric alone, you will have more people on Windows running Reason than not. And if the very open beta test is anything to go by, there's absolutely more Windows users on Reason than MacOS.

[vurt]

i long for a day when mac and pc users can see past their differences




and pile on linux users together, in a glorious battle!

[EnochLight]

i long for a day when mac and pc users can see past their differences




and pile on linux users together, in a glorious battle!

[Trancit]

Reason hasn't even started working on the M1 thing yet so their slowness can't be blamed on Mac users.

It's true that development across all DAWs seems to have gotten slower lately. Very little updates.

One major exception being Reaper. Damn those guys are on fire lately!

I didn´t meant anything in terms of slowing down Reason development...
I'm just sick and tired of all this yammering... Buuhhuu... this isn´t still M1 native... Buuhuuu, this isn´t MacOS "Stick it into my Rosetta" compatible...

When you are relying on such a silly company... stop whining and face the consequences...

Meanwhile nearly every second forum post is a Mac user whining why developers doesn´t do this M1 native and that M1 native...

[Trancit]

Instead of always blaming the developers, you Mac guys should perhaps think a little bit about why you still support an OS which breaks compatibility with nearly every update... from time to time bringing in new CPU´s to break compatibility completely and to make it not too boring...

You are whining 6 month to a year about developers giving a shit to solve your selfmade problems just to go ahead to buy the next Mac...

The big question is who is really silly... you or the 3rd party devs???
On top of that you expect from the devs to always fix compatibility issues for the same money the people pay who don´t cause these issues... that´s not very fair...

I would wish Mac guys would have to pay an extra fee for every update developers have to make to fix comapitibility issues Apple causes over and over and over again...
Extra work... extra costs... it´s actually quite easy!
Perhaps you wake up then...

Says the guy who couldn't get Digital Performer stable on his PC, a not untypical PC issue, and ranted for pages on numerous threads in a half dozen forums about it non stop for months on end, after getting a refund from MOTU.

For the record, when Macs were less popular in music 20 odd years ago this happened, you would sometimes pay more for cross platform software, not necessarily because it was harder for developers to code for, but because sales were not as high so they charged more for it. That's capitalism, now that Mac OS makes up to 50% of sales for a company like Reason Studios they flatly aren't adopting your strategy, because the difficulty of keeping up with Mac OS does not outweigh the doubling of sales that coding for the Mac OS GUI brings.

KVR is a unique place in this respect, developers here love kvetching about Mac OS, feeding all you emotional types with your anti capitalist pro monopoly rants that serve nothing but sports team level partisan nonsense. I wish it was different that way, but it is what it is.

I did what???

I don´t know what you have dreamed last night but I never ever touched Digital Performer ever in my life!

Perhaps you should next time make sure you rant about the correct person!

[Jac459]

I long thought apple fan boys were the stupidest... Thanks to KVR, I know now that the stupidity is very heavenly distributed... No jealousy lol....

I do care (a little bit) of m1 support now because I have a mac, before I was having a PC and I was caring about Windows fixing the hdpi issue for 4 k screen (with Rob papen plugins for example...
I dont see why it is forbidden to mention platform specific issue..

As I am not a fan boy nor a hater, my next computer may be a mac, a Windows or a Linux, I don't give a shit about brands, so I am interrested to have a feel of others' problems to be able to chose knowingly...

[Trancit]

I long thought apple fan boys were the stupidest... Thanks to KVR, I know now that the stupidity is very heavenly distributed... No jealousy lol....

I guess you mean me... you´re welcome...

I do care (a little bit) of m1 support now because I have a mac, before I was having a PC and I was caring about Windows fixing the hdpi issue for 4 k screen (with Rob papen plugins for example...
I dont see why it is forbidden to mention platform specific issue..

On Windows it happens perhaps once in decade if at all...
When was the last time developers had to make their software compatible to a change on windows machines... I cannot remember... I guess it was with the from 32bit to 64bit move... 20 years ago???

On Mac it happens (felt) always and all Mac users are steady screaming developers should leave all current work behind to immediately fix what Apple has broken... again... and again... and again... and again...

Spam the Apple forums that they shall stop this BS and stop blaming other people that they have to do Apple´s work...
Apple is responsible for keeping compatibility not the 3rd party devs!

[EnochLight]

As I am not a fan boy

Don't lie to yourself - we're ALL fan boys to some extent...

#you're_in_good_company

[Jac459]

As I am not a fan boy

Don't lie to yourself - we're ALL fan boys to some extent...

#you're_in_good_company

I am a fan boy of bitwig and the RRP....

And Falcon.


And avenger....


Spire....



Vital.....



Oh f**k..... you are right....

[D-Fusion]

While I agree the rant on blaming Mac users was completely off the mark, disparaging Microsoft/Windows is just as off the mark. Let me explain: rarely does a Windows update point blank BREAK your plugins/DAW. Windows has basically ran on the same architecture for over 20 years (switching to 64-bit CPU's notwithstanding).

The OP isn't wrong when they stated that MacOS updates frequently break things. It's just the way things work with Apple. And I say this as a (former) Mac owner.

First I need to thank you because I am not a native English speaker ans you just taught me "disparaging" as a word.

I think you misunderstood my point. I am not an apple fan (I have an android and I own 2 Microsoft surfaces) but I like facts
I am an engineer and an IT. And saying that m1 is a bad thing of apple is just false.
This is a cpu architecture switch that is necessary in the market and Microsoft will go there too with Windows. And the compatibility issues will be the same.

And I was never talking about macos vs Windows because I am lacking data, (and I don't think it is the point when we are talking about m1).

If windows does go down the Arm route i will still not upgrade until i know that every thing is working and are ported over for Arm based cpu's

They could still have used their old Intel Macs and the latest Os for it while waiting for full Arm support of their software instead of jumping on it and complain about things that don't work.

That is what many Mac users did in the Past when a new update was breaking the software they used.

[Jac459]

They could still have used their old Intel Macs and the latest Os for it while waiting for full Arm support of their software instead of jumping on it and complain about things that don't work.

That is what many Mac users did in the Past when a new update was breaking the software they used.

Well I don't know about that. I jumped on to the macos wagon for ARM and i am very very happy so far, I didnt had a single bug with reason 12 since jan 2022 ....
....and I will leave the wagon the day windows has a better offer.

[lotus2035]

Back in the day Mac and Windows were just two characters in 'The Thing'.