Is Xfer Serum ever discounted?

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UtopianLament
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52 posts since 9 Feb, 2022

Post Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am

GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true, he's not charging VAT fees either and he's been doing it for almost 10 years now. .

vurt
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100813 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 am

UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true,
it is you know, thats why such rules exist. same with the vat...

however, the first is a civil law, so requires a complainant to bring a case, which would cost thousands up front
so not likely

the vat, he probably doesn't sell enough for them to give a shit, seeing as they cant be arsed chasing google or amazon.

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rod_zero
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3645 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO

Post Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:53 am

vurt wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true,
it is you know, thats why such rules exist. same with the vat...

however, the first is a civil law, so requires a complainant to bring a case, which would cost thousands up front
so not likely

the vat, he probably doesn't sell enough for them to give a shit, seeing as they cant be arsed chasing google or amazon.
you don't to go through with a full case in civil court, in many places you can start with a formal complain at the local consumer protection agency.
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vurt
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100813 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:01 am

rod_zero wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:53 am
vurt wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true,
it is you know, thats why such rules exist. same with the vat...

however, the first is a civil law, so requires a complainant to bring a case, which would cost thousands up front
so not likely

the vat, he probably doesn't sell enough for them to give a shit, seeing as they cant be arsed chasing google or amazon.
you don't to go through with a full case in civil court, in many places you can start with a formal complain at the local consumer protection agency.
wouldn't know, never needed to, but thanks for the clarification :)

then im not sure why no one has bothered trying? but it's still a law, that could be enforced.
they wouldn't just make laws that people don't really have to bother with :hihi:

not that im saying anyone should either, i have no opinion either way on it being ok or not, if it's upfront then it's a decision you make before purchase, it's on you imo.

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725 posts since 4 Oct, 2016

Post Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:15 am

There is a 20% student discount for Xfer products.

SamDi
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537 posts since 27 Apr, 2018

Post Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:05 pm

GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
I don't get it. And when you sell Serum and give the buyer the account? What should he do?

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panspOrmia
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336 posts since 8 Sep, 2013

Post Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:27 pm

doh! double-post :dog:

kingjliow
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2 posts since 19 Jun, 2022

Post Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:27 am

How does it compare to the cheaper alternatives such as Vital?

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teilo
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1765 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:06 am

vurt wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true,
it is you know, thats why such rules exist. same with the vat...

however, the first is a civil law, so requires a complainant to bring a case, which would cost thousands up front
so not likely

the vat, he probably doesn't sell enough for them to give a shit, seeing as they cant be arsed chasing google or amazon.
No, it's not. Sorry, but you don't know international law. US companies are not required to collect VAT for products they sell and distribute from the US, and that includes software and online services. Likewise, EU sellers to US consumers are not required to collect state sales tax, so this cuts both ways.

The only exception is if they have a physical business presence in the country/state to which they are selling.

The same applies to EU consumer protection laws.

Source: Me. I have to know these laws because my company does millions in online sales, and I set up the tax compliance engines. We don't market to the EU, but if they order, we do ship there and are happy to take their money.
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vurt
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Post Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:32 am

teilo wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:06 am
vurt wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 4:31 am Steve also doesn't believe in respecting European Court of Justice rulings about license transfers. Another thing to consider.
Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true,
it is you know, thats why such rules exist. same with the vat...

however, the first is a civil law, so requires a complainant to bring a case, which would cost thousands up front
so not likely

the vat, he probably doesn't sell enough for them to give a shit, seeing as they cant be arsed chasing google or amazon.
No, it's not. Sorry, but you don't know international law. US companies are not required to collect VAT for products they sell and distribute from the US, and that includes software and online services. Likewise, EU sellers to US consumers are not required to collect state sales tax, so this cuts both ways.

The only exception is if they have a physical business presence in the country/state to which they are selling.

The same applies to EU consumer protection laws.

Source: Me. I have to know these laws because my company does millions in online sales, and I set up the tax compliance engines. We don't market to the EU, but if they order, we do ship there and are happy to take their money.
fair enough. thanks for the correction :)

what about the licence transfer stuff though? do you know the rules for that?

UtopianLament
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52 posts since 9 Feb, 2022

Post Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:39 am

vurt wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:32 am
teilo wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:06 am
vurt wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 am
GHOST19 wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:03 am
UtopianLament wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 5:38 am

Why would he? He lives in the USA.
If you sell stuff in the EU you have to abide by EU business law. Same applies for most countries.
Apparently that's not true,
it is you know, thats why such rules exist. same with the vat...

however, the first is a civil law, so requires a complainant to bring a case, which would cost thousands up front
so not likely

the vat, he probably doesn't sell enough for them to give a shit, seeing as they cant be arsed chasing google or amazon.
No, it's not. Sorry, but you don't know international law. US companies are not required to collect VAT for products they sell and distribute from the US, and that includes software and online services. Likewise, EU sellers to US consumers are not required to collect state sales tax, so this cuts both ways.

The only exception is if they have a physical business presence in the country/state to which they are selling.

The same applies to EU consumer protection laws.

Source: Me. I have to know these laws because my company does millions in online sales, and I set up the tax compliance engines. We don't market to the EU, but if they order, we do ship there and are happy to take their money.
fair enough. thanks for the correction :)

what about the licence transfer stuff though? do you know the rules for that?
No, US companies don't have to follow EU transfer laws either. EU laws mean jack shit outside of the EU.

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