Hive 2 vs Synthmaster One

[PieBerger]

Serum's only got ADSR and MSEGs and is still in business.

MSEGs are easy to use. They are not overkill.

yes exactly, Serum has traditional ADSR envelopes instead of “only MSEGs” and Steve is still in business. You’re not really contradicting what you quoted , and what I said before.

You hallucinating?
I never said/quoted anything regarding "only MSEGs"

My only point - MSEGs are WYSIWYG modulators. Great for people who are not fortunate enough to use hardware synths before.

If Hive included better or equivalent MSEGs compared to Serum, I would have completely stopped using Serum. [Not a request, just my opinion, what I feel missing].

Hive is a great synth, but modulation system is difficult, especially for the basic things I am used to do in Serum.

Horses for courses, I hate the MSEGs in Serum and pretty much every other synth but I use the Shape Sequencer in Hive all of the time. Yes it's limited, but that's what is great about it imo and it is in keeping with the overall theme of the synth, which is speed/efficiency, inter-connectivity and funtimes.

Personally I think modulation in Serum is highly overrated. There's lots of it available and it's very visual, but it's not a very fun synth to program because you can't connect things up in interesting ways, like you can in Hive.

Hive is like a compact modular system (with a whole case of utility modules hidden under the table), dressed up as a classic VA/subtractive synth to make it more user friendly, which is awesome and kind of unique.

[a9k1tp]

Horses for courses, I hate the MSEGs in Serum and pretty much every other synth but I use the Shape Sequencer in Hive all of the time. Yes it's limited, but that's what is great about it imo and it is in keeping with the overall theme of the synth, which is speed/efficiency, inter-connectivity and funtimes.

Serum's MSEGs powerful and fast to use. You can also modulate the modulation points in MSEGs to have fun.

[vurt]

there is more than one way to skin a cat/sausage/synth/neighbour...

we all have our "best method" and choose tools accordingly.
imagine a world where we all had only one choice, and that bones made the rules. madness!

vive le difference!

[PieBerger]

Horses for courses, I hate the MSEGs in Serum and pretty much every other synth but I use the Shape Sequencer in Hive all of the time. Yes it's limited, but that's what is great about it imo and it is in keeping with the overall theme of the synth, which is speed/efficiency, inter-connectivity and funtimes.

Serum's MSEGs powerful and fast to use. You can also modulate the modulation points in MSEGs to have fun.

Thanks for the share, I'll give a watch and see if it changes my mind. Don't hold your breath

[Jac459]

there is more than one way to skin a cat/sausage/synth/neighbour...

we all have our "best method" and choose tools accordingly.
imagine a world where we all had only one choice, and that bones made the rules. madness!

vive le difference!

I will have nightmares because of you tonight

[vurt]

there is more than one way to skin a cat/sausage/synth/neighbour...

we all have our "best method" and choose tools accordingly.
imagine a world where we all had only one choice, and that bones made the rules. madness!

vive le difference!

I will have nightmares because of you tonight

you won't be the first

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Horses for courses, I hate the MSEGs in Serum and pretty much every other synth but I use the Shape Sequencer in Hive all of the time. Yes it's limited, but that's what is great about it imo and it is in keeping with the overall theme of the synth, which is speed/efficiency, inter-connectivity and funtimes.

Serum's MSEGs powerful and fast to use. You can also modulate the modulation points in MSEGs to have fun.

Imagine,that nobody ever have been involved with 'Sound Design'...what would be the music today?
In the end of the day,if you don't have something interesting and fresh as sound, it's not sound design,just turning knobs around :):)
Cheers :):)

[Korg Supporter]

Why is this thread still going on? Just...try...both. In my opinion, SM1 is the Serum wannabe, and Hive is like a better Sylenth except it's not trying to be like other synths. Hive can sound almost like any synth you want it to be, and the Uhm wavetables are literally synthesizers inside the synth!

[pdxindy]

Horses for courses, I hate the MSEGs in Serum and pretty much every other synth but I use the Shape Sequencer in Hive all of the time. Yes it's limited, but that's what is great about it imo and it is in keeping with the overall theme of the synth, which is speed/efficiency, inter-connectivity and funtimes.

Serum's MSEGs powerful and fast to use. You can also modulate the modulation points in MSEGs to have fun.

Everyone has their own idea of fun... hehehe

It is too much time fussing with setting up multiple LFO's to control the points of one primary LFO. And all for an unpredictable outcome that is hard to tweak. I can do stuff like that easier with other tools.

And specific to Serum, he had 1 LFO with points modulated by 4 other LFO's. So the settings on the other 4 LFO's affect the main LFO. That means tweaking that structure means lots of tabbing back and forth between all those LFO's.

[Hanz Meyzer]

@Urs: Maybe a cool feature in Hive would be "fx lock" and "generator lock", so you could switch presets, but then either only change the fx settings, or all but the fx settings. Could lead into very nice accidents. Also nice for live playing. So the preset switch would have to be without interuption of the actual played notes, for the synth part. Dunno about fx part, maybe a simple crossfade hehe (imagination of a noob, so the whole fx section as a processor object in queue of fx section objects or something). Ok, leaving the continuous playing apart, I think the idea could still be a lot of fun.

These options could be available only in the preset browser, no need to alter the gui at all.

[Ah_Dziz]

I really wanted SM1 to be more fun to use. It's a great sounding synth but it's been painful to use at all times. I'd honestly go for serum over either of the synths mentioned here, but I'd pick Hive even though I don't own it. I have tried it out and while it was more straightforward and easy to use than SM1, that was mostly because I have all the other Uhe synths so the workflow was familiar. It was way more expensive than SM1 which I bought because it was mpe compatible and dirt cheap, it still wasn't much fun to use so I didn't use it much at all. Still don't.

[billcarroll]

Hive 2 gets really interesting in Bitwig, especially as a CLAP. Envelopes and other modulation possibilities are pretty mind blowing with this setup.

[twal]

I think I want to pick up Hive again. Going to play with Vital for awhile as it's free and I personally like the plucks in it which are my favorite instrument to use in tracks. I am also seriously thinking of Serum 2 when it comes out.

[twal]

there is more than one way to skin a cat/sausage/synth/neighbour...

we all have our "best method" and choose tools accordingly.
imagine a world where we all had only one choice, and that bones made the rules. madness!

vive le difference!

Oh so your'e saying you don't want to use JP6K on every track?

[kv331]

I really wanted SM1 to be more fun to use. It's a great sounding synth but it's been painful to use at all times.

Hi, why do you think it is painful to use? Could you elaborate? Thanks!

Bulent