Will MTurboAmp eventually let you draw your own waveshaping functions?
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- KVRist
- 60 posts since 6 Oct, 2022
I was looking up official documentation and YouTube reviews for MTurboAmp. I was really surprised to find that the fundamental core of the plugin is picking the 9 distortion algorithms from a menu, and there is no information in the official documentation about the specifics of what these algorithms are actually doing to the signal. I'm assuming these are waveshapers (correct me if I'm wrong). Is there a plan to let the user specify their own waveshaper in the future? For example, MWaveshaperMB has exactly that functionality, so I was surprised to find that it wasn't also included in the amp simulator plugin.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 60 posts since 6 Oct, 2022
Just wanted to bump this up to ask about this again. MTurboAmp seems seriously limited for its price, and the docs are all centered around functionality that's common to many other Melda plugins instead of going into details on the specifics that MTurboAmp has to offer (like the actual distortion algorithms).
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- KVRist
- 168 posts since 1 Dec, 2020
There's a lot to unpack here.
Yes, most guitarists are surprised that the tone of their beloved iconic amps can be distilled down to EQ,clipping,EQ,clipping,EQ, clipping, etc. It's a very elegant approach.
I understand your response to the algos. I think of amps in analog terms, so I was initially stumped by the distortion names. "Which one is for silicone diode clipping? Which is for tube clipping? Which one is transformer saturation?" It turns out I've been able to make some very nice sounding models without precise correlations to my terminology expectations.
Custom wave shapes is an interesting idea. So far, I've been able to get the tones I'm looking for without it. I guess I'm curious what you're trying to achieve that you've not been able to do. I've found MTA to be exactly fully featured enough, and not overly so. ( The recent dry/wet and compander additions have been really useful. )
Documentation has been discussed in many other threads, so I won't comment on that.
Yes, most guitarists are surprised that the tone of their beloved iconic amps can be distilled down to EQ,clipping,EQ,clipping,EQ, clipping, etc. It's a very elegant approach.
I understand your response to the algos. I think of amps in analog terms, so I was initially stumped by the distortion names. "Which one is for silicone diode clipping? Which is for tube clipping? Which one is transformer saturation?" It turns out I've been able to make some very nice sounding models without precise correlations to my terminology expectations.
Custom wave shapes is an interesting idea. So far, I've been able to get the tones I'm looking for without it. I guess I'm curious what you're trying to achieve that you've not been able to do. I've found MTA to be exactly fully featured enough, and not overly so. ( The recent dry/wet and compander additions have been really useful. )
Documentation has been discussed in many other threads, so I won't comment on that.
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- KVRist
- 324 posts since 17 Apr, 2013 from Gothenburg, Sweden
This, right there. The marketing antidote.sparella wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:24 pm ...without precise correlations to my terminology expectations.
Win 11 | Latest Reaper | MCompleteBundle
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- KVRist
- 324 posts since 17 Apr, 2013 from Gothenburg, Sweden
I am, as per usal, borderline overwhelmed by the sonic possibilities and sound quality Melda offers. Have you worked with it for at least a few days? No, it's not the standard way to go about amp modelling. But limited? Not in my view. It raises some quite serious demands on the creator though. Also as per usual in Melda land. Hang in there!
Win 11 | Latest Reaper | MCompleteBundle
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- KVRist
- 370 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
If you have MXXX, you can use several frequency bands, each with their own waveshaper. Bazillion options right there.
How about this: In MXXX, use several bands, each with MCompressor inserted before each waveshaper:
Even the free MCompressor has a fully customizable compression curve, so you can gate, upward & downward compress or expand, all in the same instance. So you can do all that on several bands, and thus have each waveshaper react differently to the incoming signal. Endless options just with that.
I use Studio One, which has a splitter, which can also split the signal up by frequency bands...so multiband waveshaping be used in a similar way using that DAW.
LOADS of options.
How about this: In MXXX, use several bands, each with MCompressor inserted before each waveshaper:
Even the free MCompressor has a fully customizable compression curve, so you can gate, upward & downward compress or expand, all in the same instance. So you can do all that on several bands, and thus have each waveshaper react differently to the incoming signal. Endless options just with that.
I use Studio One, which has a splitter, which can also split the signal up by frequency bands...so multiband waveshaping be used in a similar way using that DAW.
LOADS of options.
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- KVRist
- 456 posts since 16 Feb, 2017
Exactly this. You potentially could make any amp with Mxxx
sirmonkey wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:44 pm If you have MXXX, you can use several frequency bands, each with their own waveshaper. Bazillion options right there.
How about this: In MXXX, use several bands, each with MCompressor inserted before each waveshaper:
Even the free MCompressor has a fully customizable compression curve, so you can gate, upward & downward compress or expand, all in the same instance. So you can do all that on several bands, and thus have each waveshaper react differently to the incoming signal. Endless options just with that.
I use Studio One, which has a splitter, which can also split the signal up by frequency bands...so multiband waveshaping be used in a similar way using that DAW.
LOADS of options.
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- KVRist
- 124 posts since 28 Nov, 2021
It also frustrates me a little that some features of one plugin are missing in another. For example, there are cool modulators in MFilter, MCabinet, but they are not in MWaveShaper, MSaturator.
In half of the plugins, in order to be able to modulate parameters, you need to use MXXX or MSoundFactory, MPowerSynth.
P.S. But in any case, Melda makes some of the most functional plugins.
Started using them recently but already in love with them
In half of the plugins, in order to be able to modulate parameters, you need to use MXXX or MSoundFactory, MPowerSynth.
P.S. But in any case, Melda makes some of the most functional plugins.
Started using them recently but already in love with them
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- KVRian
- 1281 posts since 3 Jan, 2020
The modulators are available in MWaveShaperMB and MSaturatorMB.Alexander137 wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:53 am It also frustrates me a little that some features of one plugin are missing in another. For example, there are cool modulators in MFilter, MCabinet, but they are not in MWaveShaper, MSaturator.
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- KVRist
- 124 posts since 28 Nov, 2021
Thank you ) I thought that these plugins differ only in multi-band (seeing the name). Then it makes sense to buy them.Held wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:47 am The modulators are available in MWaveShaperMB and MSaturatorMB.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 60 posts since 6 Oct, 2022
Sometimes they're also worse or less functional. See: MMultiAnalyzer not having a spectrogram mode. Glad I used the demo first.Alexander137 wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:09 pmThank you ) I thought that these plugins differ only in multi-band (seeing the name). Then it makes sense to buy them.Held wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:47 am The modulators are available in MWaveShaperMB and MSaturatorMB.
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- KVRist
- 168 posts since 1 Dec, 2020
Personally, I'd encourage people to use MTA over MXXX, even if they already own both.
IMO, MXXX would have been both overkill in terms of functionality and less suited to amp design in terms of workflow before the MTA module was added to it. The fact that there aren't many, if any, MXXX presets using multiple saturation stages and EQ to build bespoke amp sims, is indicitive of this.
I have released several amp/pedal designs so far and all but one were made in MTA. The one exception requiring MXXX is a niche multi-distortion pedal with stereo and transient processing, yet I still found it useful to make use of the MTA module in MXXX when designing it.
IMO, MXXX would have been both overkill in terms of functionality and less suited to amp design in terms of workflow before the MTA module was added to it. The fact that there aren't many, if any, MXXX presets using multiple saturation stages and EQ to build bespoke amp sims, is indicitive of this.
I have released several amp/pedal designs so far and all but one were made in MTA. The one exception requiring MXXX is a niche multi-distortion pedal with stereo and transient processing, yet I still found it useful to make use of the MTA module in MXXX when designing it.
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- KVRist
- 370 posts since 26 Sep, 2014
True, but just you could get MXXX Core, which will allow this, and many other options for the free effects, and any other plugins that you paid for. * Also, I know you may not have Studio One DAW.Surgo wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:19 am The question is not about the $1098 MXXX but the $120 MTurboAmp.
** Just putting ideas out there.
And if you wait for a 50% off deal for MXXX Core, it might make sense for you. See about 3:50 and on in this video:
The multiband thing of course doesn't just apply to MTurboAmp, and multiband is just one thing that's possible. So, this might or might not make sense for you. It all depends on the wallet of course. I get it!