Nope! Akai specifically say that audio interfaces must be truly USB Class Compliant for it to work with Force/MPC, so it's a mystery. I brought it to Akai's attention and they told me they really have no idea why it's working, unless Roland slid an update in (which, according to the MX-1 firmware, it hasn't been updated in many years).WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:20 pm That is curious. Could it be the AKAI Force uses a plugin like the Elektron ones and you can grab the multichannel audio from there?
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- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
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- KVRAF
- 13256 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
So, you’re using it with a PC with a sound card/interface that uses standard ASIO and it brings in all, 18?, channels of the MX-1 audio?
- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
No, sorry for the confusion. I'm using my MX-1 as a multichannel (all 18 tracks) audio interface for my Force, that's it. It's not hooked up to my computer. My point was, Force/MPC requires USB Class Compliance for audio interfaces to work with them (as there is no driver install), so the fact that multichannel audio works with Force/MPC but not a computer is a mystery.WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:29 pm So, you’re using it with a PC with a sound card/interface that uses standard ASIO and it brings in all, 18?, channels of the MX-1 audio?
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- KVRAF
- 2514 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Maybe I got it backward then. I thought the driver was a Roland one not a class compliant one.
WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:16 pmI mean a Roland built driver you have to install rather than a class compliant one.perpetual3 wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:38 pmThere is a driver. Or am I missing something?WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:13 pm The problem is they’re using the TR-8S USB to pipe MIDI and Audio so either they need to use a driver or they need to create a tech like Elektron developed with Overbridge that enables a plugin to handle the multi channel audio. I would love that because right now I don’t use my TR-8S as I don’t have enough spare audio inputs to handle the discrete tracks.
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- KVRAF
- 13256 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
Ah ok, I think it’s just the typical Windows issue of the interface hogging ASIO.EnochLight wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:33 pmNo, sorry for the confusion. I'm using my MX-1 as a multichannel (all 18 tracks) audio interface for my Force, that's it. It's not hooked up to my computer. My point was, Force/MPC requires USB Class Compliance for audio interfaces to work with them (as there is no driver install), so the fact that multichannel audio works with Force/MPC but not a computer is a mystery.WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:29 pm So, you’re using it with a PC with a sound card/interface that uses standard ASIO and it brings in all, 18?, channels of the MX-1 audio?
Was hoping by Windows 11 there would be signs of something better that could do low latency and multiple interfaces, but as they’ve not even agreed on a working MIDI 2 driver yet I guess that’s not happening any decade soon.
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- KVRist
- 211 posts since 5 Apr, 2023
Hi Synthient Sound. I understand your frustration. We are always willing to share the most current information that we have. Roland is a big company with a lot of moving parts and the last thing we want is to disappoint peoples expectations by promising something and the end result being different than what was promised. Just for clarification when I say we are testing, this means that we are taking in the feedback you share with us and trying to find the source of the issue so that we can make strategic updates going forward. Just know that we take your feedback very seriously and are working on resolving this issue. Thank you for your patience.Synthient Sound wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:58 pmHey Jon, this is a new problem with the v2...have had the originals for a long time. Spiking CPU is not a matter of buffer size here and I would never record at 512. I don't like to record at even 128, but I set it just to try the v2s. I'm reporting that there is a problem with the code. My computer has plenty of power for all my other plugins.Jon at Roland wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:58 pmHi Synthient Sound! Jon from Roland Cloud. Happy to hear you are enjoying v2! I love the Circuit Mod, it adds so much complexity and unpredictability to every patch!Synthient Sound wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:23 am Hey Jon and Brian!
First, the new preset browser is fantastic and I'm really happy with it. Circuit Mod is really great at moderate setting for making them sound like my old Rolands. And I'm ready to go Silicon soon, so thanks!
About the CPU...there are some problems I've noticed which match what others have mentioned. I've been running Roland Cloud since 2018 and am very familiar with how it performs. On my 2019 Macbook Pro (i9 2.6GHz Intel in latest Logic Pro/Ventura), the CPU is maxing out a core now with the plugin window open and lots of crackles. This didn't happen before. When I close the plugin GUI, they CPU drops to between 40-50% on that core-but-it does spike up regularly to 75-100%. Just another data point for you to pass along.
I'm very much looking forward to the JX-3P going v2 and please add my request to the hundreds already for a JX-8P.
We always appreciate the feedback and are actively testing to try and recreate the issues some users are experiencing. Some tips you can try in the meantime. There is an option to "Optimize for Lower CPU Usage", you can find this by clicking the settings button in the upper right corner of the instrument window. This can really help in large sessions with a ton of moving parts. You can also try increasing the Buffer Size from 128 to 512 samples in your daw. And depending on how much polyphony you are using you can try lowering the number of voices. You can find this option in the same drop down menu where you find Optimize for Lower CPU Usage. Let us know if you have any questions! Thanks so much!
Would have rather heard that you guys acknowledge the problems we are having and are working on it. It is ok to say something more than we are trying to recreate it.
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 6 Feb, 2022
Hello!
I'm having trouble with concerto, I moved my *.rvr files to another drive (out of system drive)
Now I cant get the concerto instrument find the files when I start it in my daw.
I have followed these instructions, https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a ... m-location
but the folder does not seem to "stick". When I restart the instrument, it does not have anything to choose from.
Thanks in advance!
Br,Jani
I'm having trouble with concerto, I moved my *.rvr files to another drive (out of system drive)
Now I cant get the concerto instrument find the files when I start it in my daw.
I have followed these instructions, https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a ... m-location
but the folder does not seem to "stick". When I restart the instrument, it does not have anything to choose from.
Thanks in advance!
Br,Jani
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- KVRist
- 211 posts since 5 Apr, 2023
Hey Strainer! Jon from Roland Cloud. I'll reach out to you in a private message and we'll get this figured out. Thanks!Strainer wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 12:47 pm Hello!
I'm having trouble with concerto, I moved my *.rvr files to another drive (out of system drive)
Now I cant get the concerto instrument find the files when I start it in my daw.
I have followed these instructions, https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a ... m-location
but the folder does not seem to "stick". When I restart the instrument, it does not have anything to choose from.
Thanks in advance!
Br,Jani
- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
What two instruments should I get to keep? I am coming to the end of my year sub and can pick two to keep. Not sure if I will renew or not.
my music: http://www.alexcooperusa.com
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
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- KVRAF
- 9843 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA
I am partial to the D 50 (see what I did there?
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- KVRist
- 336 posts since 5 Jan, 2022
What you keep is really subjective: totally up to you. There are a couple YouTubers that do excellent demos of pretty much all the Roland synths. One is Espen Kraft from Norway and the other guy is Woody from Woody's Piano Shack. Both are technically very sound and also each hilarious in their own way. If you go watch some of their vids, you can hear and see Roland Cloud stuff, also hardware, great comparisons and a lot of cool stuff.ATS wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 1:36 am What two instruments should I get to keep? I am coming to the end of my year sub and can pick two to keep. Not sure if I will renew or not.
I spent a few hours today with the Juno 106 and Juno 60 both of which I had hardware versions of wayyy back in the day. The Cloud versions are really good. Roland is likely moving as fast as they can to keep with all the insane demands made by people here and in other forums. The new version of Zenology sounds really good and IMHO Roland is kicking ass right now.
So think about what kind of music you will be making and which synth you have been spending the most time with and that is likely going to be your answer.
- KVRAF
- 2302 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Which two instruments did you use the most during your entire year of use? Pick those two.**ATS wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 1:36 am What two instruments should I get to keep? I am coming to the end of my year sub and can pick two to keep. Not sure if I will renew or not.
** I’m honestly not sure if you’re messing with us or not
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