Synth overload?

[vurt]

The Deutsche Alternative Charts (often referred to as DAC) is the primary record chart for Germany's alternative music scene. The charts cover genres ranging nu metal to Britpop, from rock music to alternative electronic. Established in 1997, the DAC rankings are generated by a weekly poll of 350 representatively selected DJs and trend dealers.

Sorry, but those charts mean nothing. Who knows who those 350 people are, how they are selected by whom, and whether there is corruption and nepotism involved. I prefer sales charts based on anonymous buyers, lots of them.

you could probably search for the relevant information if you cared enough.

They are not representative charts, that is certain, the number 350 says it all. There is little info on it. Probably for a good reason.

Germany has regular charts. If a band is popular, it will show up there.

https://www.offiziellecharts.de/

tbh, i don't care about the uk charts even, never have. they mean nothing as to whether i enjoy a piece of music.

wesley willis never made a chart
the shaggs? nope...
poisoned electrick head, not in my lifetime.

[Jac459]

tbh, i don't care about the uk charts even, never have. they mean nothing as to whether i enjoy a piece of music.

wesley willis never made a chart
the shaggs? nope...
poisoned electrick head, not in my lifetime.

The UK charts are still better than the French ones... But fully agreed, to me Amon Tobin represents the pinnacle of what I want to reach, regardless of his (lack) of success in the charts....

[donkey tugger]

Who knows who those 350 people are, how they are selected by whom, and whether there is corruption and nepotism involved.

Come on, it's unlikely bones has 350 friends.

[Bombadil]

if you think you have too many synths, you might be a guitarist?

I resemble that!

[Shabdahbriah]

tbh, i don't care about the uk charts even, never have. they mean nothing as to whether i enjoy a piece of music.

wesley willis never made a chart
the shaggs? nope...
poisoned electrick head, not in my lifetime.

The UK charts are still better than the French ones... But fully agreed, to me Amon Tobin represents the pinnacle of what I want to reach, regardless of his (lack) of success in the charts....

Took my youngest son to see Amon Tobin live {Isam} 10 years ago... amazing concert.

[vurt]

Who knows who those 350 people are, how they are selected by whom, and whether there is corruption and nepotism involved.

Come on, it's unlikely bones has 350 friends.

could be his label are spending tay tay type budgets on him...

[vurt]

if you think you have too many synths, you might be a guitarist?

I resemble that!

[Jac459]

Took my youngest son to see Amon Tobin live {Isam} 10 years ago... amazing concert.

Whaou, I am so jealous! I miss Europe for that, there is no big festival where I live now.
But I dream of bringing my kids there ...

[Jac459]

Is it you filming ? that sounds awesome, ISAM isn't my favourite album but still...

I see he went multiple times in Europe... But never Asia

[BONES]

Despite your success, you still insist on being an insufferable prick here constantly and that is and always will be a problem.

Success is relative. Topping the DAC in 2016 resulted in exactly 69 CD sales in Germany for the first 6 months after release. The DAC isn't a sales chart, it's more like the Oscars - submissions are voted on by 500 or so "industry people". To me, that makes it a far more valuable achievement but it's not something I see as "success". Success to me would mean we could tour Europe or Nth America every year and we are as far away from that today as we were 20 years ago, when we released our first album.

You are not "sticking up the for little guy"

Of course not, that was just me being an arse. Emoticons would ruin my deadpan delivery.

... so disagreeable

I only disagree with people who are wrong. And WTF is wrong with being disagreeable? If you listen to Jordan Peterson, he'll tell you that disagreeableness is a very common quality among successful people. One of his closest friends is the most disagreeable person he has ever met. IT may be unfashionable in modern society but the negative is every bit as valid as the positive and often far more useful. If you are doing something poorly, how will you ever improve if everyone is unrelentingly positive about it?

You are a competent producer and musician and you do often share helpful information, but you are terrible person, at least in the way that you conduct yourself here. Calling everyone a f*cking idiot whenever they disagree with you, might work for you IRL, with actual real life human beings you have a deeper connection with, but it doesn't really work in the context of an online forum. We're strangers or maybe something closer to colleagues and behaving like this isn't acceptable.

To you. It's perfectly acceptable to me because I'm a grown-up, not a child. One day, when you are bored enough, go through my posts and see how many times I call myself a f**king idiot. It might be illuminating for you.

Sorry, but those charts mean nothing. Who knows who those 350 people are

Whereas we know the name of every individual who buys a CD or listens to us on Spotify, right? I'm sure our label would be terribly flattered that you think they wield enough power to influence the charts but that would be ridiculous. Any manipulation is going to make it harder for us, not easier.

Sales charts are at least as open to manipulation as any other chart. e.g. A powerful church here, Hillsong, bullied their way into having their sales counted in the official ARIA charts a while ago and now you get these Jesus freak artists nobody outside the church has ever seen or heard of making the Top 10, because the Hillsong flock are told to go out and buy the CDs for Jesus. Or one year when the Australian Idol winner's first single was released and the record company flooded all the record stores with it, to make it no. 1, because the charts go off shipments to retailers, not actual sales receipts. Three months later, 90% of that stock had been returned. Casey Donovan had got her no. 1 but it was completely meaningless.

Last century radio decided who would be in the charts and there was so much corruption going on that nobody outside the mainstream record companies had any hope of getting airplay, and therefore no chance of charting. Punk changed that for a while but it only lasted a few years before normal service was resumed.

Do we manipulate the situation to our advantage? Absolutely. We release mid-year, where most of the big releases happen towards Xmas, at the back-end of the year. So there is less competition when we release our albums, which improves our chances of charting. For our label, that's just good business and we're happy to go along with it, as they are the ones spending money on promotion and, so far, it's worked well enough.

At the end of the day, I'd rather have the endorsement of 350 industry people than sell lots of music to morons. Obviously, the ideal would be to be able to do both but we don't live in a world where what NOVAkILL does would ever be popular. That's not what it's for. If you want to sell lots of records, you call yourself Fluffy Bunnies and you do vacuous, inoffensive pop music (which, ironically, I mostly find offensive in the extreme).

[Jac459]

Despite your success, you still insist on being an insufferable prick here constantly and that is and always will be a problem.

Success is relative. Topping the DAC in 2016 resulted in exactly 69 CD sales in Germany for the first 6 months after release. The DAC isn't a sales chart, it's more like the Oscars - submissions are voted on by 500 or so "industry people". To me, that makes it a far more valuable achievement but it's not something I see as "success". Success to me would mean we could tour Europe or Nth America every year and we are as far away from that today as we were 20 years ago, when we released our first album.

You are not "sticking up the for little guy"

Of course not, that was just me being an arse. Emoticons would ruin my deadpan delivery.

... so disagreeable

I only disagree with people who are wrong. And WTF is wrong with being disagreeable? If you listen to Jordan Peterson, he'll tell you that disagreeableness is a very common quality among successful people. One of his closest friends is the most disagreeable person he has ever met. IT may be unfashionable in modern society but the negative is every bit as valid as the positive and often far more useful. If you are doing something poorly, how will you ever improve if everyone is unrelentingly positive about it?

You are a competent producer and musician and you do often share helpful information, but you are terrible person, at least in the way that you conduct yourself here. Calling everyone a f*cking idiot whenever they disagree with you, might work for you IRL, with actual real life human beings you have a deeper connection with, but it doesn't really work in the context of an online forum. We're strangers or maybe something closer to colleagues and behaving like this isn't acceptable.

To you. It's perfectly acceptable to me because I'm a grown-up, not a child. One day, when you are bored enough, go through my posts and see how many times I call myself a f**king idiot. It might be illuminating for you.

Sorry, but those charts mean nothing. Who knows who those 350 people are

Whereas we know the name of every individual who buys a CD or listens to us on Spotify, right? I'm sure our label would be terribly flattered that you think they wield enough power to influence the charts but that would be ridiculous. Any manipulation is going to make it harder for us, not easier.

Sales charts are at least as open to manipulation as any other chart. e.g. A powerful church here, Hillsong, bullied their way into having their sales counted in the official ARIA charts a while ago and now you get these Jesus freak artists nobody outside the church has ever seen or heard of making the Top 10, because the Hillsong flock are told to go out and buy the CDs for Jesus. Or one year when the Australian Idol winner's first single was released and the record company flooded all the record stores with it, to make it no. 1, because the charts go off shipments to retailers, not actual sales receipts. Three months later, 90% of that stock had been returned. Casey Donovan had got her no. 1 but it was completely meaningless.

Last century radio decided who would be in the charts and there was so much corruption going on that nobody outside the mainstream record companies had any hope of getting airplay, and therefore no chance of charting. Punk changed that for a while but it only lasted a few years before normal service was resumed.

Do we manipulate the situation to our advantage? Absolutely. We release mid-year, where most of the big releases happen towards Xmas, at the back-end of the year. So there is less competition when we release our albums, which improves our chances of charting. For our label, that's just good business and we're happy to go along with it, as they are the ones spending money on promotion and, so far, it's worked well enough.

At the end of the day, I'd rather have the endorsement of 350 industry people than sell lots of music to morons. Obviously, the ideal would be to be able to do both but we don't live in a world where what NOVAkILL does would ever be popular. That's not what it's for. If you want to sell lots of records, you call yourself Fluffy Bunnies and you do vacuous, inoffensive pop music (which, ironically, I mostly find offensive in the extreme).

Well, I was about to think that you are maybe a bit less delusional that I was thinking and then you compare yourself to Jordan Peterson...
Show us one example where Peterson is insulting the person he is debating with.
Show us one time where after making your point, you really listen and reacts to other arguments. As soon as somebody has a different view, you move it from a battle of ideas to a battle of words. That's exactly the opposite of Peterson.
You can be sincere and direct AND polite and respectful. That's what Peterson manage to do and that's why he has success, regardless of his ideas.

On the initial polyphonic discussion we had, I sent you a detail explanation, you never answered to it because that's not what you are here for. You are here to crush discussions and insult people.

[revvy]

Jordan f**king Peterson discussion is a pretty shitty turn for this already bollocks thread to take, IMHO.

Jac, you insult forum members too…

If you find bones’ style objectionable, stop engaging with him in sentences longer than two words. Done.

[donkey tugger]

The very knowledgable industry people voted Taylor Swift as being better than Novakrill. I bet she's well chuffed.

[Jac459]

If you find bones’ style objectionable, stop engaging with him in sentences longer than two words. Done.

I must admit it is a good point.

[Jac459]

Jac, you insult forum members too…

I dont think I did my friend... but anyway I never compared myself to Peterson (that I don't admire at all).