Is Omnisphere 2 still worth it?

[yellowmix]

So it looks like it's two new Keyscape-specific effects that came in Keyscape 1.6, but you can't add them yourself even in Omni. A strange anomaly.

Can be saved by saving a rack preset. Then load the rack preset in a new patch. You can move it around the same rack.

I attached a patch that uses K-Verb on A and B, and K-Channel on Common. Spectrasonics is generous.

[noiseboyuk]

The main limitation with the rack presets (their solution) is of course if you have some effects already and want to - say - switch out the reverb for K-verb, you can’t.

When I have a little more time, I’ll do some tests comparing the different reverbs (I have at least one extra one in a Sonic Extension). Since you can’t audition it in the normal way, at least knowing it’s strengths and weaknesses will help knowing where to try it.

[noiseboyuk]

So I just took a little look at all the different reverbs I now I have in Omni aside from the three default of EZ, Spring and Pro.

SKY VERB
In Nylon Sky. This is Raum-like, big expansive tails with magical trails.

SEISMIC VERB
In Seismic Shock. In your face hyped-up EDM style by default - also offers wild modes of various kinds.

UNCLEAN VERB
In Unclean Machine. Digital Lo-fi, emulations of springs (which don't sound like springs), plates and halls. I guess it's like the early Microverb.

K-VERB
In Keyscape (hidden). I honestly don't know if this is algorithmic or convolution, but it's actually the only verb to offer good quality spaces - rooms, chambers and halls. There's also a couple of effecty types - Super Shimmer, Octave Grains and Ominous Sub Oct.

I've saved a Rack Preset of K-verb. Loading it obliterates existing effects in the rack of course, but it least it is only applied to the selected rack. So if I have Aux selected and load K-verb, it leaves A, B, C, D and Common alone.

[LFO8]

I can create some audio examples of monophonic vs polyphonic modulation if you want. You'll be immediately able to hear it in action.

Yes please. Thank you. I have never noticed this in Omnisphere.

Just realized I forgot to make the example for you of polyphonic vs monophonic envelope. Sorry about that!

Link:

Polyphonic envelope vs monophonic envelope (Google Drive, mp3 413kb)

Here you can download a short MP3 file demonstrating the difference. First part of audio is the polyphonic envelope, behaving just as a normal filter envelope. I'm holding a chord with my left hand then playing a short little melody with the right hand while still holding the left hand chord down.

Then I switch the mod envelope (nr 4) into monophonic mode and run the exact same notes. Now you can clearly hear that the envelope that modulates the filter becomes monophonic and thus triggers again on every note down. It's actually a pretty cool effect but quite rarely desired. As said earlier in this discussion, what you think of as a "normal" envelope in most synths, is polyphonic. In Omnisphere it's the opposite way around. Only one of the extra envelopes allows for polyphonic operation (mod env nr 4).

This exact same concept is true for the LFOs, where 1-7 are monophonic and only the 8th can be switched to be polyphonic (so each new note gets it's own LFO).

Hey thanks for this! I see what you mean now.

EDIT: I've checked the same in Vital and all envelopes and LFO's in there seem to be polyphonic.

[aMUSEd]

No, it appears to be brand new an unrelated to the Sonic Extensions. I also believe the "K" stands for "Keyscape". Wonder if Keyscape is getting its own effects rack in the future.

Yes, not a Sonic Extension effect.

I also figured K must be Keyscape. It just had an update too, with the felt grand, but no word about new effects. But I just opened one of the new Double Felt Grand patches in Omni, and lo and behold - K-verb is under the hood in the effects rack.

So it looks like it's two new Keyscape-specific effects that came in Keyscape 1.6, but you can't add them yourself even in Omni. A strange anomaly.

If 2 then K Verb is one, what’s the other one?

[ReiKru]

In Omnisphere i don't see any Updates avaiable. Where can i get these Patches?

Probably just restart Omni and the link will come up. Took 2 goes for me.

i can't still see any Updates. Do I need Omni and Keyscape both?

[aMUSEd]

In Omnisphere i don't see any Updates avaiable. Where can i get these Patches?

Probably just restart Omni and the link will come up. Took 2 goes for me.

i can't still see any Updates. Do I need Omni and Keyscape both?

Yes

[ReiKru]

Thank you

[noiseboyuk]

If 2 then K Verb is one, what’s the other one?

K-channel:





The enhancer (exciter) there may be the most useful.

[yellowmix]

The main limitation with the rack presets (their solution) is of course if you have some effects already and want to - say - switch out the reverb for K-verb, you can’t.

That they're offering a way to access it indicates it's ultimately resolvable, so hopefully that's soon (perhaps with a more substantial Omnisphere update).

Until then, if you have existing effects on the rack and have an empty rack, load the K-whatever rack preset there, copy the FX preset, and paste it where you want it. Obviously not the best workflow but not a "can't".

[noiseboyuk]

Until then, if you have existing effects on the rack and have an empty rack, load the K-whatever rack preset there, copy the FX preset, and paste it where you want it. Obviously not the best workflow but not a "can't".

But doesn't that just obliterate the rack you're pasting it to in the same way? (could well be my ignorance talking here)

[yellowmix]

But doesn't that just obliterate the rack you're pasting it to in the same way? (could well be my ignorance talking here)

FX Preset. The down arrow to the left of the FX module in the rack.

[noiseboyuk]

But doesn't that just obliterate the rack you're pasting it to in the same way? (could well be my ignorance talking here)

FX Preset. The down arrow to the left of the FX module in the rack.

Ah magic! Staring me in the face for years. Thanks!

[noiseboyuk]

I'm slowly going through the new Keyscape Creative patches - they are excellent. Admittedly they require Keyscape itself too so that's quite a total bill, but these are excellent examples of the kinds of patches that are very hard to do with anything else. There's fully responsive electric pianos that sound completely real and playable but not like anything in the actual real world. Same for many other instruments and even synths. Some of the D-50 soundsources (in Omni) are incredibly identifiable and that's very hard to successfully emulate with other synth - here they combine with other real instruments and synthetic sounds to drag them from nostalgia. There's a terrific EDM lead that somehow sounds organic and textured.

This is, I think, what many still don't get about Omni to this day. It's not ROMpler, it's not just VA. It's the way it effortlessly and musically combines all these things, and you don't have to be a computer programmer to do it.

[Jac459]

I'm slowly going through the new Keyscape Creative patches - they are excellent. Admittedly they require Keyscape itself too so that's quite a total bill, but these are excellent examples of the kinds of patches that are very hard to do with anything else. There's fully response electric pianos that sound completely real and playable but not like anything in the actual real world. Same for many other instruments and even synths. Some of the D-50 soundsources (in Omni) are incredibly identifiable and that's very hard to successfully emulate with other synth - here they combine with other real instruments and synthetic sounds to drag them from nostalgia. There's a terrific EDM lead that somehow sounds organic and textured.

This is, I think, what many still don't get about Omni to this day. It's not ROMpler, it's not just VA. It's the way it effortlessly and musically combines all these things, and you don't have to be a computer programmer to do it.

Can you post some mp3 examples of what you mean please?