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Trensharo
KVRian
501 posts since 29 Dec, 2019

Post Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:16 am

DrGonzo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:36 pm Just a random thought.

Free 10 years ago was something awesome. It generated lots of goodwill and eventually sales.
Free today - the majority doesn't care.

If I were to guess, it's a problem that has its roots in free apps and free-to-play games.
It's because prices have come down substantially and cyclical promotions are common and predictable (on a set time table).

Higher quality free synths and plug-ins have definitely made it harder to operate in that market (it's why PA, Waves, Softube, etc. are on sale more often than not), as well.
musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:17 amYou pretty much summarized how I feel about Reaper as a DAW. Everyone keeps raving about how good it is and how you can customize it any way you want. But man, that's a lot of work, I just wanna make music, I'm not trying to fly a spaceship. And it's not like I'm not good at using applications. I learned Bitwig Studio, FL Studio, Ableton Live, Studio One, Cubase, even Reason to an extent. I have a Windows laptop and still just by looking at Logic Pro screengrabs, I can figure out how to navigate around it and how to get things done. Reaper completely throws me off for this particular reason, no matter how powerful of a DAW it is, where is the user experience?
There are definitely ways to "fast track" customizing REAPER - and have been for years.

I personally don't want to have my workflow dependent on numerous third party components that can break on updates or upgrades, though, so I've generally avoided it. I just don't like how text-heavy the GUI is, and from a design standpoint I find it somewhat abominable... but others like it (and it can look pretty good with theming - at last at surface level).

It's why I tend to prefer DAWs with decent-enough stock UI/UX/Themes that I can just use productively off the bat. There is already enough of that risk with Virtual Instruments and FX Plug-ins :-P

I think REAPER is a bigger deal to people who would otherwise use Pro Tools, though. It is really, really good for Audio Engineers. Honestly, I still use Samplitude Pro X for Audio Editing and whenever I bring stems over from Maschine for Arranging/Mixing for similar reasons. The Audio Editing is GOAT-level and something like Cakewalk couldn't really replace it without significant productivity dippage.

For people who are looking for something like Ableton Live or Reason, REAPER isn't really going get you there. There is only so much you can do with the theming and customization before you start pushing up against the limits of that system. Some things are better off as a design goal within the software's development track.

One big issue with Cakewalk is the fact that it is Windows-only. With Macs actually being affordable, these days, it is becoming a bigger disadvantage. The Windows DAW market is actually more competitive than on macOS - particularly at the enthusiast/prosumer segments.

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jonljacobi
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1932 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA

Post Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:40 am

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the interface and workflow. I don't know what they use to develop, but I'd like to see them add Mac and Linux support. Personally, I'd also like it to scale. In for a penny, in for a pound.

My eyes are at the point I just don't like tiny text and icons.

BBFG#
KVRAF
7324 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:56 am

Lack of support from both companies was what got me to try other DAWs.
I think I'd be foolish to give it another go after all the unfulfilled promises of both parties' past has left me as blocked off as it is now. Whatever works is slated for license denial as soon as I update to the next machine.

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Saffran
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898 posts since 20 Oct, 2018

Post Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:59 pm

The facts so far:

1. "Cakewalk by BandLab" daw is getting one final update and after that is running for free on windows. Then it have no more updates or support. Meaning that a Windows update can break it and you can't get any Cakewalk support to fix it.

2. "Sonar" daw is built upon Cakewalk by BandLab but have a fresh UI, vector based, and carry forward as a new product with ongoing improvements, features and support. Note that Cakewalk Sonar will install alongside Cakewalk by BandLab and any legacy editions of SONAR you may have installed in the past. ( probably windows only)

3. "Next" daw is completely new and works on both MAC and Windows. It's a desktop app with integration to BandLab online studio and its several thousend free samples.

4. The price for Sonar and Next is not decided yet.

This is put together from Cakewalk discuss forum.

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digitalboytn
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2662 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy

Post Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:59 pm

I hope that the can get it to be less agricultural because it feels like driving an old tractor in a unploughed paddock...

Bring in some smart features like a track being a track and the ability to resize windows etc...

The only reason I moved from Sonar after so many years,was that Gibson took over the company and I knew that with Henry da Vandal at the helm,that the writing was on the wall...

And sure enough...Henry's kiss of death came through...

I only use Cakewalk to open old projects these days because Reaper leaves it for dead in that unploughed paddock 😁
No auto tune...

Bunny_boy
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539 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:21 am

Well, after being out of this game for such a long time, I think any free software will help me back in! Might have to dl it tonight.

Having had a nosey round their website, it seemed (to me) quite strange that they were giving away a full DAW that had updates. That they are now releasing two new products is probably good. Obviously everyone likes something for free, but recouping costs gives people a wage.

Having said all that, Cakewalk has had quite a history, so I'm hoping that their is some sort of acknowledgement of long-term users.
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Bunny_boy
KVRian
539 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:51 am

Just to add, and it may be totally irrelevant, but I bought Z3ta+ way back when from rgc:audio (Rene, the orig developer's company).

A couple of years ago, while faffing around with stuff on a very old laptop, I realised that I didn't have the authorisation key. Apparently I had a Cakewalk account, but couldn't get into it, not could I reset the password. Emailed the help desk, and they sent me a reminder of my authorisation key :-).

So a company that I have never dealt with was able to solve a problem that I had created. Whether they are like that in 2023 as they were in 2021 (and with costs involved) would be interesting to see
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KVRAF
7324 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:39 am

Bunny_boy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:51 am Just to add, and it may be totally irrelevant, but I bought Z3ta+ way back when from rgc:audio (Rene, the orig developer's company).

A couple of years ago, while faffing around with stuff on a very old laptop, I realised that I didn't have the authorisation key. Apparently I had a Cakewalk account, but couldn't get into it, not could I reset the password. Emailed the help desk, and they sent me a reminder of my authorisation key :-).

So a company that I have never dealt with was able to solve a problem that I had created. Whether they are like that in 2023 as they were in 2021 (and with costs involved) would be interesting to see
Odd. They have never replied to my many support request to access my account. And in trying to create a new separate account with Bandlab and requesting support of that after having installation problems. They also have continually chosen to not respond with anything but a one time programmed response.

Bunny_boy
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539 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:41 pm

BBFG# wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:39 am
Bunny_boy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:51 am Just to add, and it may be totally irrelevant, but I bought Z3ta+ way back when from rgc:audio (Rene, the orig developer's company).

A couple of years ago, while faffing around with stuff on a very old laptop, I realised that I didn't have the authorisation key. Apparently I had a Cakewalk account, but couldn't get into it, not could I reset the password. Emailed the help desk, and they sent me a reminder of my authorisation key :-).

So a company that I have never dealt with was able to solve a problem that I had created. Whether they are like that in 2023 as they were in 2021 (and with costs involved) would be interesting to see
Odd. They have never replied to my many support request to access my account. And in trying to create a new separate account with Bandlab and requesting support of that after having installation problems. They also have continually chosen to not respond with anything but a one time programmed response.
Looking back at my emails, it was from the _Cakewalk_ help desk, not Bandlab. Wonder if that made a difference?

Edit: I emailed support @ cakewalk.com
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BBFG#
KVRAF
7324 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:07 pm

Bunny_boy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:41 pm
BBFG# wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:39 am
Bunny_boy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:51 am Just to add, and it may be totally irrelevant, but I bought Z3ta+ way back when from rgc:audio (Rene, the orig developer's company).

A couple of years ago, while faffing around with stuff on a very old laptop, I realised that I didn't have the authorisation key. Apparently I had a Cakewalk account, but couldn't get into it, not could I reset the password. Emailed the help desk, and they sent me a reminder of my authorisation key :-).

So a company that I have never dealt with was able to solve a problem that I had created. Whether they are like that in 2023 as they were in 2021 (and with costs involved) would be interesting to see
Odd. They have never replied to my many support request to access my account. And in trying to create a new separate account with Bandlab and requesting support of that after having installation problems. They also have continually chosen to not respond with anything but a one time programmed response.
Looking back at my emails, it was from the _Cakewalk_ help desk, not Bandlab. Wonder if that made a difference?

Edit: I emailed support @ cakewalk.com
I've emailed both. Repeatedy.

Bunny_boy
KVRian
539 posts since 23 Nov, 2016 from a small city

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:24 pm

Huh - I was really impressed with their customer service, and now I'm not :-(
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surreal
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2463 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:33 pm

Hi everyone, what would you suggest as a free or low priced replacement for Sonar that would support vst3?

maanga
KVRist
102 posts since 2 Jul, 2012 from Singapore

Post Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:43 pm

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Odd. They have never replied to my many support request to access my account. And in trying to create a new separate account with Bandlab and requesting support of that after having installation problems. They also have continually chosen to not respond with anything but a one time programmed response.
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A few months before, I emailed cakewalk and in 2 days got my password, download issues settled.
I do not think their support is that bad. Some might be having due to other issues like sharing / distributing or changes in email etc.
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chk071
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33827 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:45 am

surreal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:33 pm Hi everyone, what would you suggest as a free or low priced replacement for Sonar that would support vst3?
Why not just go on using Cakewalk by Bandlab? It's not as if the software will break tomorrow, especially as you're on Windows.

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surreal
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2463 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:54 am

chk071 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:45 am
surreal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:33 pm Hi everyone, what would you suggest as a free or low priced replacement for Sonar that would support vst3?
Why not just go on using Cakewalk by Bandlab? It's not as if the software will break tomorrow, especially as you're on Windows.
true that. but if i need to reinstall after doing a windows update... thats what i am concerned about... Eventhough cakewalk by badlab was free it still requested me to re authorize the software to keep working every 6 months so in essence it was and still is and extended demo for what is going to end.. Imagine working on bandlab cakewalk all your production hours in the "free" version and 6 months down the line it asks to reauthorize and then you get a friendly pop up saying... thank you for using the free version of cakewalk, please select one of the following options to continue using Cakewalk by bandlab.. or worse still.. this product is no longer supported and cannot be authorised..

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