Realphones by dSONIQ?

[Jac459]

Hello, I am very new to that but found this thread while trying to improve my mixing/mastering with headphones.

dSoniq Realphones seems very good but it doesn't support my headphones (Focal Elegia). They are super comfortable and I am used to them so I would prefer not to change.

One question: can I use tonebooster morphit (that support my headphones) AND just after in the chain Realphones ?
If this is the case, it is good for me as I can buy only the light version of Realphones (the one without eq correction) as this specific job will be done by morphit...

What do you think ? Do I understand it well ?

Thanks in advance.

(bonus question: Waves NX does also support my headphones but it seems it is less good than Realphones, am I right ?)

[ozonepaul]

For your Elegia you don't need Morphit. Just look at the frequency response measurement graph of your headphone and balance it accordingly.
Eg. the Elegia was already measured on audiosciencereview. Link here:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... one.27977/

At the bottom of the review you can find the suggested 4-band EQ compensation for it's deficiencies.

Elegia EQ compensation.JPG

-
Try this EQ setting as a basis and than tweak it slightly according to your ears/taste.
-
What is important to always keep in mind is that there are different concepts what is a perfect target curve. Eg. audioscience review uses Harman.
If you are after a different target than try the measurements from RTINGS for compensation:
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/focal/elegia

+ Also watch this video for an idea what's a potentially good target for your Elegia:


Try these above Elegia compensations and see which target you find the most neutral. Me personally I would EQ it pretty similar to what is suggested in the above video:

Elegia EQ compensation 2.JPG

This curve makes the bass a bit more impactful (eg. better bass transient clarity) while also helps identify problems in the higher area, eg. vocal sibilance etc. I think it's a pretty good target for "mixing aid"/better translation.

+ Check what is the house curve in morphit, and if you want, just EQ to copy that curve.

[Jac459]

For your Elegia you don't need Morphit. Just look at the frequency response measurement graph of your headphone and balance it accordingly.
Eg. the Elegia was already measured on audiosciencereview. Link here:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... one.27977/

At the bottom of the review you can find the suggested 4-band EQ compensation for it's deficiencies.

Elegia EQ compensation.JPG

-
Try this EQ setting as a basis and than tweak it slightly according to your ears/taste.
-
What is important to always keep in mind is that there are different concepts what is a perfect target curve. Eg. audioscience review uses Harman.
If you are after a different target than try the measurements from RTINGS for compensation:
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/focal/elegia

+ Also watch this video for an idea what's a potentially good target for your Elegia:


Try these above Elegia compensations and see which target you find the most neutral. Me personally I would EQ it pretty similar to what is suggested in the above video:

Elegia EQ compensation 2.JPG


This curve makes the bass a bit more impactful (eg. better bass transient clarity) while also helps identify problems in the higher area, eg. vocal sibilance etc. I think it's a pretty good target for "mixing aid"/better translation.

+ Check what is the house curve in morphit, and if you want, just EQ to copy that curve.

Thanks mate ! That's very helpful.... So basically I take the corrections like in the video and eq with pro q3 for example.
Thanks a lot ! I will try and report.

[andymcbain]

For your Elegia you don't need Morphit. Just look at the frequency response measurement graph of your headphone and balance it accordingly.
Eg. the Elegia was already measured on audiosciencereview. Link here:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... one.27977/

At the bottom of the review you can find the suggested 4-band EQ compensation for it's deficiencies.

Elegia EQ compensation.JPG

-
Try this EQ setting as a basis and than tweak it slightly according to your ears/taste.
-
What is important to always keep in mind is that there are different concepts what is a perfect target curve. Eg. audioscience review uses Harman.
If you are after a different target than try the measurements from RTINGS for compensation:
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/focal/elegia

+ Also watch this video for an idea what's a potentially good target for your Elegia:


Try these above Elegia compensations and see which target you find the most neutral. Me personally I would EQ it pretty similar to what is suggested in the above video:

Elegia EQ compensation 2.JPG


This curve makes the bass a bit more impactful (eg. better bass transient clarity) while also helps identify problems in the higher area, eg. vocal sibilance etc. I think it's a pretty good target for "mixing aid"/better translation.

+ Check what is the house curve in morphit, and if you want, just EQ to copy that curve.

Thanks mate ! That's very helpful.... So basically I take the corrections like in the video and eq with pro q3 for example.
Thanks a lot ! I will try and report.

Just be aware that Pro-Q has it's on definition of Q values - so the results will differ from other equalizers. From the manual -

"The Q knob sets the bandwidth of the selected bands, widening or narrowing them. The Q cannot
be adjusted when a 6 dB/octave slope is used.

Note: Because there are different interpretations of Q values in various EQ plug-ins and scientific
papers, we have chosen the value 1 to correspond to the default bandwidth. For the shelf filters,
the internal Q values are chosen such that they result in a good range of shelf shapes. Keep this in
mind when trying to reproduce the filter shapes of another EQ plug-in in Pro-Q: the interpretation
of the Q values might not be the same"

[Jac459]

For your Elegia you don't need Morphit. Just look at the frequency response measurement graph of your headphone and balance it accordingly.
Eg. the Elegia was already measured on audiosciencereview. Link here:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... one.27977/

At the bottom of the review you can find the suggested 4-band EQ compensation for it's deficiencies.

Elegia EQ compensation.JPG

-
Try this EQ setting as a basis and than tweak it slightly according to your ears/taste.
-
What is important to always keep in mind is that there are different concepts what is a perfect target curve. Eg. audioscience review uses Harman.
If you are after a different target than try the measurements from RTINGS for compensation:
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/focal/elegia

+ Also watch this video for an idea what's a potentially good target for your Elegia:


Try these above Elegia compensations and see which target you find the most neutral. Me personally I would EQ it pretty similar to what is suggested in the above video:

Elegia EQ compensation 2.JPG


This curve makes the bass a bit more impactful (eg. better bass transient clarity) while also helps identify problems in the higher area, eg. vocal sibilance etc. I think it's a pretty good target for "mixing aid"/better translation.

+ Check what is the house curve in morphit, and if you want, just EQ to copy that curve.

Thanks mate ! That's very helpful.... So basically I take the corrections like in the video and eq with pro q3 for example.
Thanks a lot ! I will try and report.

Just be aware that Pro-Q has it's on definition of Q values - so the results will differ from other equalizers. From the manual -

"The Q knob sets the bandwidth of the selected bands, widening or narrowing them. The Q cannot
be adjusted when a 6 dB/octave slope is used.

Note: Because there are different interpretations of Q values in various EQ plug-ins and scientific
papers, we have chosen the value 1 to correspond to the default bandwidth. For the shelf filters,
the internal Q values are chosen such that they result in a good range of shelf shapes. Keep this in
mind when trying to reproduce the filter shapes of another EQ plug-in in Pro-Q: the interpretation
of the Q values might not be the same"

Oh yes! I remember seeing that in a tutorial video of proQ. Thanks for the reminder mate. I guess I will go with EQ+ from Bitwig.
Cheers.

[Jac459]

Just be aware that Pro-Q has it's on definition of Q values - so the results will differ from other equalizers. From the manual -

"The Q knob sets the bandwidth of the selected bands, widening or narrowing them. The Q cannot
be adjusted when a 6 dB/octave slope is used.

Note: Because there are different interpretations of Q values in various EQ plug-ins and scientific
papers, we have chosen the value 1 to correspond to the default bandwidth. For the shelf filters,
the internal Q values are chosen such that they result in a good range of shelf shapes. Keep this in
mind when trying to reproduce the filter shapes of another EQ plug-in in Pro-Q: the interpretation
of the Q values might not be the same"

After sweating a bit to reproduce the curve in an unsatisfactory manner I finally decided to go for Morphit which also allows me to simulate other cans...
I also bought Realphones and I confirm both morphit and realphones are working very well and without ANY issues.... It is really a pleasure (and on top of that, as I don't use the eq of realphones, I could buy the lite version).

Thanks all for your help !

[Download SOphist]

Version 2 of Realphones has just been released!
The new stuff, from their email:

"New Emulations:
• Studios: Studio 21A, Cinelab, dSONIQ Lab Studio, and an updated emulation of Music Studio
• Devices: Smartphones, laptops, TVs, Bluetooth speakers
• Cars: Korean H Car Slrs 2016, German B Car 520 2014
• Environments: Home studio, bedrooms, public places, and concert halls

Other Changes:
• Sound engine update
• Improved overall sound quality
• Updated room emulation technology
• Сustom calibration profiles
• Standard correction profiles tuning
• Midi-control support
• Expanded capabilities of the System-Wide application: now you can send an unprocessed signal to monitors and a processed signal to headphones (this feature works only with audio interfaces that allow separate routing for headphone output). Now it’s possible to save your own initial configuration
• Full native Apple Silicon support
• Stability improvements
• Updated GUI color themes
• Other minor enhancements"

plus, update is free for customers who have bought Realphones in 2023 or 2022. how about that?

[lotus2035]

Bought the upgrade instantly, been waiting for this one.

[Trancit]

nevermind

[chagzuki]

I like Realphones quite a lot. I don't want to spend more money, although my upgrade price is OK. In what sense is the sound quality improved? I remember them saying that in the last update, a few people on KvR claimed it sounded worse. I don't think I noticed any difference.

[Igro]

I got that free upgrade. I didn't have much time to dig deeper yet. The studio environments sounded very different. In other words, my mixes sounded worse. I will check further later. ..

[Gam456]

I like Realphones quite a lot. I don't want to spend more money, although my upgrade price is OK. In what sense is the sound quality improved? I remember them saying that in the last update, a few people on KvR claimed it sounded worse. I don't think I noticed any difference.

The new studio sound different, with a better balance and less bassy but still way too much reverb at 100% for a mix studio.

There is also a lot of new environment like laptop, bluetooth HP, phones etc....

Honestly it's not a game changer. We are still waiting for a head tracking and Dolby env 5.1/7.1 etc...

[dionenoid]

Bought the update, but honestly not hearing anything shockingly better. The reverb is way too much when in default, definately has to be turned down to sound realistic. Appreciate the extra listening environments tho.

The snapshots only make use of the old studio. Seems they didn't update that part.

[chagzuki]

Is it a new plugin or does it overwrite V1?

[Octave_Jumper]

Is it a new plugin or does it overwrite V1?

it overwrites v1