Did Bitwig Hire a New Marketing Person?

[liquidsound]

Getting PTSD from a forum…
That made my day man!

User are getting PTBD instead
“B as in Browser”

This should be a part of your new book, "5 Reasons why i would love to make music, but still can't."

This one was great too...

Remind me to never disagree with billcarroll, he's on fire...

You are right!
It should have been “B” as in billcarroll

[pdxindy]

But since all sides have made their opinions clear enough, with an exhausting amount of posts, it's truly a good time to end this at this point, and return to making music.

[Jac459]

Yea it was a nice joke which made me laugh myself
Never forget making music!
But when it comes to disagreements, it is more fruitful and "on fire" to not only make jokes, but also adress the topic/arguments in a convincing manner which hasn't been done at all:)
But since all sides have made their opinions clear enough, with an exhausting amount of posts, it's truly a good time to end this at this point, and return to making music.

Well, most of the time I am answering KVR when I am doing music (like now for example). I have the attention span of a golden retriever (no offense to the golden retrievers) so it allows me micro pauses....

So for me the argument of "go back doing music" doesn't fly.... Never the less, a good joke is a good joke....

[duanosforde]

See, that's f*cked up. None of those companies are my friends. If I were suddenly homeless, not a one of them would offer to let me sleep in their spare bedroom while I figure my sh*t out.

That marketing stuff is grotesque. Maybe businesses have to engage is such unethical deception these days, but I want none of it and don't want to encourage it.

And the reason it works is cause so many people are lonely and don't have enough real social nourishment and friendship so they are susceptible to that sort of manipulation and the pretense of community.

Non-sense ! These companies are all my friends. And the reason why Apple is still not using USB C for their phones generating this way millions of tons of waste of unused cables is certainly very important and for my own good, I am just not smart enough to see it...

More seriously, I agree with you and moreover, small companies like Bitwig can't do what is done by Amazon or Apple, we have to accept that. I prefer them to concentrate their small resources on development of their tools and not engaging in KVR or any other social media.
We shoudn't forget that Bitwig has a very good certified trainer program and they certainly get very good "educated" and constructive feedbacks from them already.

If anyone should be implementing customer relationship management, it is smaller companies. they benefit orders of magnitude greater than larger ones. i personally can't count the number of times i've shopped at a mom-and-pop corner store over a large retailer like amazon despite the fact I end up paying more. simply because I know the owners, employees, or they are part of the community (sponsoring school events, etc). i don't think there is anything un-ethical or deceptive about it, unless there is intent to do that.

I don't know what Bitwig's capabilities are so it is hard to say if they can or cannot implement a developed crm model like amazon or apple. but seems like with the future collaboration feature they are headed in that direction, especially if it is anything like studio one's sphere thing (hopefully without sub).

[pdxindy]

I don't know what Bitwig's capabilities are so it is hard to say if they can or cannot implement a developed crm model like amazon or apple.

What does Amazon do as far as their CRM model? What I mean is, I have Amazon Prime cause I live in a remote location. I buy stuff online and it arrives at my place. Besides that I have little interaction with Amazon or the CRM model.

[] Peter:H []

I make my money in IT.

Then you'll know that automated tests aren't a silver bullet and only catch regressions that you thought about writing a test case for.

It's incredibly presumptuous to look at a compiled piece of software as an outsider, especially in beta, and think you can tell anything about the development or testing practices that were used to create it.

I have not claimed that I talk about a silver bullet, nor that any testing approach (Unit, Integration, Load, monkey, you name it) will do the job alone. Testing is a holistic apporach.
But I can read, and iirc I have read numerous "regression from 4.4" entries. And Betas feel to get longer by each major release ... and iirc it's not the first time some of these regressions make it into the "fixed" charts. Easy rule - If you stumble over an defect, then write a test for it and then fix it ... if the same regression makes it into the charts twice, write more tests for it.
And by the way folks talking about how easy or difficult it would be to get more automated testing ... I think Moos could write some test by using the API provided ... I think that's the purpose of the API, to automate things from the outside. Given that the API works, it could be used to automate some flows.

Here for instance - Problem exporting.viewtopic.php?t=567235
And now I have on 5 Beta 9 up to 11 issues exporting in real time ...
Then search for "bitwig export issue" .. seems there are a couple of them.
Testprocedure
For all supported platforms
- Spin of a a clean docker, update all packges
- Install Bitwig
- For all export regression demonstrater projects handed in by users in the past
-- Trigger "Load project"
-- For all export Options
--- Trigger export
--- Check whether export ends and result file is "readable"
--- Check Bitwig is responsive after export.

[JHernandez]

I don't know what Bitwig's capabilities are so it is hard to say if they can or cannot implement a developed crm model like amazon or apple.

I have Amazon Prime cause I live in a remote location. I buy stuff online and it arrives at my place. Besides that I have little interaction with Amazon or the CRM model.

Same here. One of the reasons I use Amazon Prime is because I don't have to interact with anyone. Not even the delivery person. That's my ideal shopping experience.

The couple times I had to get help I had to interact with a bot , wait, then finally get a person. At that point the last thing I need is a friendly memorable experience exceeding my expectations ect, which is what I got of course.

[duanosforde]

I don't know what Bitwig's capabilities are so it is hard to say if they can or cannot implement a developed crm model like amazon or apple.

I have Amazon Prime cause I live in a remote location. I buy stuff online and it arrives at my place. Besides that I have little interaction with Amazon or the CRM model.

Same here. One of the reasons I use Amazon Prime is because I don't have to interact with anyone. Not even the delivery person. That's my ideal shopping experience.

The couple times I had to get help I had to interact with a bot , wait, then finally get a person. At that point the last thing I need is a friendly memorable experience exceeding my expectations ect, which is what I got of course.

And that is exactly CRM, they've tailored your shopping experience to exactly how you would want it, you can have as little or as much interaction as you need. if you've shopped on amazon, then you have interacted with their CRM system because your shopping data and profile is archived in it. Log-in times, search history, product reviews, products discarded from your shopping cart, the total time your looked at a product page, etc. They are basically modeling your behavior to personalize promotions, services, etc. I read an article saying they are getting to the point where they can predict when a women is pregnant and suggest related products. That data is available to customer support folks to tailor your interaction with them or the 'bot' when needed. I'm not to fond of it that why I don't personally shop much on amazon.

I'm not suggesting Bitwig go to that extent but they could probably benefit from other strategies that fall under the umbrella of CRM. Since I don't work in their marketing department I don't know for sure. I'm am just highlighting that companies are devoting a lot of time, resources, and attention towards customer relationship building.

[JHernandez]

I don't know what Bitwig's capabilities are so it is hard to say if they can or cannot implement a developed crm model like amazon or apple.

I have Amazon Prime cause I live in a remote location. I buy stuff online and it arrives at my place. Besides that I have little interaction with Amazon or the CRM model.

Same here. One of the reasons I use Amazon Prime is because I don't have to interact with anyone. Not even the delivery person. That's my ideal shopping experience.

The couple times I had to get help I had to interact with a bot , wait, then finally get a person. At that point the last thing I need is a friendly memorable experience exceeding my expectations ect, which is what I got of course.

And that is exactly CRM, they've tailored your shopping experience to exactly how you would want it, you can have as little or as much interaction as you need. if you've shopped on amazon, then you have interacted with their CRM system because your shopping data and profile is archived in it. Log-in times, search history, product reviews, products discarded from your shopping cart, the total time your looked at a product page, etc. They are basically modeling your behavior to personalize promotions, services, etc. I read an article saying they are getting to the point where they can predict when a women is pregnant and suggest related products. That data is available to customer support folks to tailor your interaction with them or the 'bot' when needed. I'm not to fond of it that why I don't personally shop much on amazon.

How could they tailor it to my experience if I've only ever had the one experience using Amazon? How would it know anything if it doesn't try something first? The only way I know if I like something is to try it first. What kind of witchcraft is this?

My Amazon account's front page is typically a scattering of random stuff I haven't shown any interest in. Today it's bikinis, masking tape, vitamins, some rocks or something, luggage, salad toppings, cappuccino machines, footwear, current trends, hot summer deals, more items to explore, and other things "inspired" by the aforementioned. A bikini would look pretty ridicules on me but I could def get away with it in 2023.

Also, what promotions? Are those the promotions? Or part of the ongoing years long tailoring process?

Also, also, how would it handle multiple personalities in one account?

Facebook on the other hand knows what to advertise to me. Probably because I joined several groups related, that's my guess. I don't give it any information about myself and my cookies are always cleared automatically from site to site. Hmmm. Sneaky internet.

[Jac459]

Wheeler my whole family receives a ton of VST advertisements... lol.
Worst being Instagram....

Anyway, I can confirm bitwig has no crm... I received an email to renew because of anniversary purchase... my licence expires in 7 months lol.

[pdxindy]

My Amazon account's front page is typically a scattering of random stuff I haven't shown any interest in. Today it's bikinis, masking tape, vitamins, some rocks or something, luggage, salad toppings, cappuccino machines, footwear, current trends, hot summer deals, more items to explore, and other things "inspired" by the aforementioned. A bikini would look pretty ridicules on me but I could def get away with it in 2023.

Also, what promotions? Are those the promotions? Or part of the ongoing years long tailoring process?

I don't have much sense of the sort of marketing Amazon tries to target me with. I have any emails from Amazon automatically sent to a folder and once every couple months I select all and delete.

[Jac459]

I don't have much sense of the sort of marketing Amazon tries to target me with. I have any emails from Amazon automatically sent to a folder and once every couple months I select all and delete.

You can also subscribe haha.

[pdxindy]

I don't have much sense of the sort of marketing Amazon tries to target me with. I have any emails from Amazon automatically sent to a folder and once every couple months I select all and delete.

You can also subscribe haha.

Subscribe to what?

[Jac459]

I don't have much sense of the sort of marketing Amazon tries to target me with. I have any emails from Amazon automatically sent to a folder and once every couple months I select all and delete.

You can also subscribe haha.

Subscribe to what?

Sorry it is my autocorrect, I wrote UNsubscribe.
Unsubscribe from their marketing emails.

[pdxindy]

You can also subscribe haha.

Subscribe to what?

Sorry it is my autocorrect, I wrote UNsubscribe.
Unsubscribe from their marketing emails.

Ha! Good idea... It's easier to just delete them all once every few months. Then I don't have to figure out how to unsubscribe