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[Jac459]

I don't remember where I read that he was working on objekt but he was... (they didn't hire him to be an accountant ).

Wherever you read that had it wrong since he didn't!

Objekt was programmed by Peter Jubel and designed by a small team of two designers and a product manager (that last one is me). It's also unrelated to Resonans, which is built on the open source code for Rings / Elements by Mutable Instruments and focuses more on modal synthesis. Objekt is built from scratch and while it has a simpler modal resonator, the meat and potatoes of it is in the two newly made waveguide-based models.

Super! Thanks for sharing!

So he really is accountant?

[EnochLight]

Bears repeating, since there seems to be some misinformation in this thread...

Objekt was programmed by Peter Jubel and designed by a small team of two designers and a product manager (that last one is me). It's also unrelated to Resonans, which is built on the open source code for Rings / Elements by Mutable Instruments and focuses more on modal synthesis. Objekt is built from scratch and while it has a simpler modal resonator, the meat and potatoes of it is in the two newly made waveguide-based models.

[Psuper]

I knew Objekt was a reskinned Resonans, just didn't know they hired the guy who made Resonans to begin with.

Lmao! Objekt is absolutely *NOT* a reskinned Resonans, but nice try.

It sure is. I stated this:

To my ears it has the same sound produced by Resonans Physical Synth:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/

before any knowledge that the Resonans dev worked on Objekt. Use your ears.

One can argue tech specs and background, however the sounds speak for themselves -- everything I've heard could be replicated in Resonans from what I can tell.

The downside to using Resonans instead of Objekt is it's less accessible and not as easy to use. In fact I've yet to find anyone who actually knows Resonans beyond just tinkering -- it's one of the synths I had to learn completely on my own, and I'm well trained to the sound of the modeling.

[EnochLight]

It sure is. I stated this:

To my ears it has the same sound produced by Resonans Physical Synth:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/

before any knowledge that the Resonans dev worked on Objekt. Use your ears.

No, it's not. Do you even know what "reskinned" means?

You were literally just told by Mattias that Objekt was done by a different dev and doesn't even share the same physical modelling approach. Use your eyes and read:

It's also unrelated to Resonans, which is built on the open source code for Rings / Elements by Mutable Instruments and focuses more on modal synthesis. Objekt is built from scratch and while it has a simpler modal resonator, the meat and potatoes of it is in the two newly made waveguide-based models.

One can argue tech specs and background, however the sounds speak for themselves -- everything I've heard could be replicated in Resonans from what I can tell.

And I call total horse shit on that claim. In fact, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so if you are claiming Resonans can do what Objekt can do, put up or shut up.

I own both, and while they share some similarities in some areas, they couldn't be more different. Objekt blows Resonans out of the water.

[Psuper]

It is reskinned, just with a few more bells and whistles. I'm not saying work didn't go into it, it's obvious there was work put into it. The sound model however... spot on Resonans.

Show me an example of a sound YOU made in Objekt with a source I also would have access to, and I might just dust off Resonans and provide some extraordinary evidence.

[Jac459]

It sure is. I stated this:

To my ears it has the same sound produced by Resonans Physical Synth:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/

before any knowledge that the Resonans dev worked on Objekt. Use your ears.

No, it's not. Do you even know what "reskinned" means?

You were literally just told by Mattias that Objekt was done by a different dev and doesn't even share the same physical modelling approach. Use your eyes and read:

It's also unrelated to Resonans, which is built on the open source code for Rings / Elements by Mutable Instruments and focuses more on modal synthesis. Objekt is built from scratch and while it has a simpler modal resonator, the meat and potatoes of it is in the two newly made waveguide-based models.

One can argue tech specs and background, however the sounds speak for themselves -- everything I've heard could be replicated in Resonans from what I can tell.

And I call total horse shit on that claim. In fact, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so if you are claiming Resonans can do what Objekt can do, put up or shut up.

I own both, and while they share some similarities in some areas, they couldn't be more different. Objekt blows Resonans out of the water.

You are being silly Enoch, they are exactly the same, they are both physical modeling....
Like a Mercedes is the same than a Tesla or Serum is the same than Hive... Lol...

[EnochLight]

It is reskinned, just with a few more bells and whistles.

I'll say it again (even though you're now amending your original claim): no, it's not a "reskinned" Resonans.

I'm not saying work didn't go into it, it's obvious there was work put into it. The sound model however... spot on Resonans.

There's a plethora of subtractive synths out there that all share a similar synthesis model, but they all have their own unique sound and features. So does Objekt. You claiming it's a reskinned Resonans is like saying a Jupiter is a reskinned Juno.

Show me an example of a sound YOU made in Objekt with a source I also would have access to, and I might just dust off Resonans and provide some extraordinary evidence.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, which would be you. So have it.

You are being silly Enoch, they are exactly the same, they are both physical modeling....
Like a Mercedes is the same than a Tesla or Serum is the same than Hive... Lol...

[Jac459]

It is reskinned, just with a few more bells and whistles. I'm not saying work didn't go into it, it's obvious there was work put into it. The sound model however... spot on Resonans.

Show me an example of a sound YOU made in Objekt with a source I also would have access to, and I might just dust off Resonans and provide some extraordinary evidence.

You remind me of this 3rd grad boy telling me that K2000 (knightrider) was in fact a real car created by US army and hidden in plain sight in a TV show.

More seriously, if you take for example Diva and Serum, you can find tons of videos where the exact same sound is created with both synths. One is VA, the other is wavetable. Totally different synthesis, not a reskinning, yet a ton of overlapping sounds.

The fact that Resonans and Objekt which both are physical modeling synthesis have overlapping sounds is :
1 - not surprising at all.
2 - absolutely not a problem for Objekt which has far more creativity power than Resonans in my view through different tools than Resonans doesn't have or do differently.

[vurt]

It is reskinned, just with a few more bells and whistles. I'm not saying work didn't go into it, it's obvious there was work put into it. The sound model however... spot on Resonans.

Show me an example of a sound YOU made in Objekt with a source I also would have access to, and I might just dust off Resonans and provide some extraordinary evidence.

You remind me of this 3rd grad boy telling me that K2000 (knightrider) was in fact a real car created by US army and hidden in plain sight in a TV show.

More seriously, if you take for example Diva and Serum, you can find tons of videos where the exact same sound is created with both synths. One is VA, the other is wavetable. Totally different synthesis, not a reskinning, yet a ton of overlapping sounds.

The fact that Resonans and Objekt which both are physical modeling synthesis have overlapping sounds is :
1 - not surprising at all.
2 - absolutely not a problem for Objekt which has far more creativity power than Resonans in my view through different tools than Resonans doesn't have or do differently.

the car was real, hasselhoffs hair was cgi.

[Psuper]

Show me an example of a sound YOU made in Objekt with a source I also would have access to, and I might just dust off Resonans and provide some extraordinary evidence.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, which would be you. So have it.

Yes, and I'm calling out shit on your claim. I'm offering to do precisely what you asked -- show you how a sound you made in Objekt can be replicated in Resonans.

So you put up a source and and your own objekt manipulated sound, and I'll see what I can do. This offer is for Enoch only.

[Jac459]

the car was real, hasselhoffs hair was cgi.

Nooooooo!!!! Can not be...

You ruined my childhood dreams...

Now don't tell me that there was silicon in Baywatch, I am ready to jump the window.

[Jac459]

Show me an example of a sound YOU made in Objekt with a source I also would have access to, and I might just dust off Resonans and provide some extraordinary evidence.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim, which would be you. So have it.

Yes, and I'm calling out shit on your claim. I'm offering to do precisely what you asked -- show you how a sound you made in Objekt can be replicated in Resonans.

So you put up a source and and your own objekt manipulated sound, and I'll see what I can do. This offer is for Enoch only.

If both a Mercedes and a Tesla can drive you from Paris to Berlin. Then they are the same car with the same technology. It is just a reskinning.

[EnochLight]

Yes, and I'm calling out shit on your claim. I'm offering to do precisely what you asked -- show you how a sound you made in Objekt can be replicated in Resonans.

So you put up a source and and your own objekt manipulated sound, and I'll see what I can do. This offer is for Enoch only.

That's not how this works. You made the claim - you put up the proof. So do it. Don't try and weasel out and turn this around. Fact is, you can't do it. And you know this.

"Reskinned Resonans" my ass. LMAO!!!

[Psuper]

Yes, and I'm calling out shit on your claim. I'm offering to do precisely what you asked -- show you how a sound you made in Objekt can be replicated in Resonans.

So you put up a source and and your own objekt manipulated sound, and I'll see what I can do. This offer is for Enoch only.

That's not how this works. You made the claim - you put up the proof. So do it. Don't try and weasel out and turn this around. Fact is, you can't do it. And you know this.

"Reskinned Resonans" my ass. LMAO!!!

You're the one weaseling out. I'm offering to do precisely what you asked.

[EnochLight]

You're the one weaseling out. I'm offering to do precisely what you asked.

Then do it. I'll wait.