Reason 12 is here

[WatchTheGuitar]

If you apply clapping emojis to your own post you’ve already lost the argument

That's adorable. Are we having an argument? Both your unnecessarily lengthy YouTube video and my GIF were light hearted, as far as I can tell.

No, this is global thermonuclear war. And I wish the video had been six seasons long, the perfect length prior to watching a movie.

[Jac459]

Yeah, I think either you use reason with RE only either it is really a twisted workflow ...

..I mean, if you're simple. Sure!

Well, I am certainly simple, no offence taken.

Yet 2 full crashes in 1 hour remain a bit high, even for a simple guy.

Then this side chaining being such a complex stuff in Reason, if you try to chain multiple devices... Yes, I'd like it to be simpler....

[EnochLight]

Yet 2 full crashes in 1 hour remain a bit high, even for a simple guy.

Then this side chaining being such a complex stuff in Reason, if you try to chain multiple devices... Yes, I'd like it to be simpler....

Literally rock-solid for me (running Reason 12.6.1 d72, Windows 10, old-ass computer). Curious what you were doing when it crashed twice on you? I can bounce a report off of support and see if they can get it fixed.

Personally I find chaining/routing things in Reason to be the simplest/easiest out of all DAW, but that's due to the skeuomorphic design and i/o path on the rack back and I click with that approach. Obviously YMMV... (and it does)! What's difficult about sidechaining multiple devices for you in Reason? Are you trying to sidechain multiple instruments using 1 drum pattern?

No, this is global thermonuclear war. And I wish the video had been six seasons long, the perfect length prior to watching a movie.

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[Jac459]

Yet 2 full crashes in 1 hour remain a bit high, even for a simple guy.

Then this side chaining being such a complex stuff in Reason, if you try to chain multiple devices... Yes, I'd like it to be simpler....

Literally rock-solid for me (running Reason 12.6.1 d72, Windows 10, old-ass computer). Curious what you were doing when it crashed twice on you? I can bounce a report off of support and see if they can get it fixed.

Personally I find chaining/routing things in Reason to be the simplest/easiest out of all DAW, but that's due to the skeuomorphic design and i/o path on the rack back and I click with that approach. Obviously YMMV... (and it does)! What's difficult about sidechaining multiple devices for you in Reason? Are you trying to sidechain multiple instruments using 1 drum pattern?

No, this is global thermonuclear war. And I wish the video had been six seasons long, the perfect length prior to watching a movie.

ohyou.jpg

The 2 times it was with Ozone 10.
To be noted: ozone 10 doesn't crash for me on bitwig. The crashes made reason crash too, not only ozone.

For the side chaining, curious if you have a better method: I am using the side chaining output of the drum, inserted a spider utility for multiple output, and then linking to the different side chained inputs

Multiple griefs:
1 - it is a ton of clicks for something simple.
2 - having to add a spider is really not intuitive in my view. Should be automatic some how.
3 - I had to chain to an external (vst3) device because I don't have proper control on the chaining (for example, I want to chain based only on a range of the signal (60 to 100hz for a kick for example)). Also the sensibility, attack, release of the chaining, I don't have control.

[kae]

That pretty much how you would need to do it.
Sensibility, attack, release is something you'd need to adjust on the side chained device, the compressor. Add a high pass filter before it if you need to have control of the trigger frequencies. Then save the device chain as a combinator so you can reuse it.
For a basic volume ducking, have you tried Pump RE? It's transport, midi or gate triggered instead of audio.

[EnochLight]

The 2 times it was with Ozone 10.
To be noted: ozone 10 doesn't crash for me on bitwig. The crashes made reason crash too, not only ozone.

For the side chaining, curious if you have a better method: I am using the side chaining output of the drum, inserted a spider utility for multiple output, and then linking to the different side chained inputs

Multiple griefs:
1 - it is a ton of clicks for something simple.
2 - having to add a spider is really not intuitive in my view. Should be automatic some how.
3 - I had to chain to an external (vst3) device because I don't have proper control on the chaining (for example, I want to chain based only on a range of the signal (60 to 100hz for a kick for example)). Also the sensibility, attack, release of the chaining, I don't have control.

I’ve got Ozone 10 Advanced as well as Neutron 4 Advanced. I’ve never had Ozone 10 crash Reason on me, but I’ve only used it as an actual plugin when my entire session is bounced out to all stems, so things tend to run fairly light - even on my ancient PC. But I tend to run it as a standalone application these days, as I like to keep the mastering as a separate process from everything else. When I run it as a plug-in inside of Reason, I’m always tempted to keep tweaking the mix. Neutron 4 makes it too tempting! I’ll admit that Reason’s zero sandboxing for VST does make it a pain when a plug-in crashes and brings Reason with it. Really wish they’d improve that.

As for side-chaining multiple devices, yeah - I’d also usually resort to using Spider Audio to split the signals like you describe. I don’t find this difficult or convoluted though - for me, it’s easy to flip the rack and plug cables. That’s part of what I like about Reason. But if routing virtual cables in a rack isn’t your thing, I can see why this would be unenjoyable.

[Jac459]

I’ve got Ozone 10 Advanced as well as Neutron 4 Advanced. I’ve never had Ozone 10 crash Reason on me, but I’ve only used it as an actual plugin when my entire session is bounced out to all stems, so things tend to run fairly light - even on my ancient PC. But I tend to run it as a standalone application these days, as I like to keep the mastering as a separate process from everything else. When I run it as a plug-in inside of Reason, I’m always tempted to keep tweaking the mix. Neutron 4 makes it too tempting! I’ll admit that Reason’s zero sandboxing for VST does make it a pain when a plug-in crashes and brings Reason with it. Really wish they’d improve that.

As for side-chaining multiple devices, yeah - I’d also usually resort to using Spider Audio to split the signals like you describe. I don’t find this difficult or convoluted though - for me, it’s easy to flip the rack and plug cables. That’s part of what I like about Reason. But if routing virtual cables in a rack isn’t your thing, I can see why this would be unenjoyable.

I am surprised that you didn't had crash with Ozone. But it is true that I was using it with the full song playing (way below the CPU/Memory max though). I will try to reproduce the exact stuff I was doing and report here.

For Spider, it is way way slower than in Bitwig so I was wondering if I was doing it wrong...

That being said, as much as I feel the DAW is more and more niche (only my opinion), I also feel that the ecosystem they have created continues to be extremely relevant in 2023 and for the future.
With products like Objekt or Friktion, they are making the use of the RRP very enticing for the whole population of musicians, regardless of their DAWs... I think it was really a very very smart move to hire the creator of Resonans and build with him THE flagship in physical modelling today. If you want physical modeling and you want the best, no choice, you need to go to the RRP ecosystem. And when you are inside the ecosystem, then you discover all the effects, devices like Grains, Europa... I mean even as a Rack, buying Reason studio is just crazy value for the money...

[soulata]

I'm thinking of upgrading from Reason Adapted 3.0 to the proper v12.

It looks like a good idea for my intended use, which is kind of an idea pad on an older laptop, coupled with Audient id14 and arturia micro keyboard. Plus headphones and a microphone.

This should make a nice travelling setup to get my ideas down.

I use S1 but just installing this on a laptop doesn't seem enough. I'd need my trusty sw instruments and so on...

[jens]

Blocks are essentially old-school sequence clips.

Nah - try again.

[EnochLight]

I think it was really a very very smart move to hire the creator of Resonans and build with him THE flagship in physical modelling today.

I had no idea Robotic Bean helped create Objekt. Where did you see this? I mean, it tracks - Resonans was a cool RE, and Portatron is probably one of the coolest VST to come out in a long time. At least one from the Robotic Bean team used to actually work for Propellerhead back in the day.

Blocks are essentially old-school sequence clips.

Nah - try again.

If you'd actually had owned any of the old Ensoniq workstations that I grew up on, then yes - they are.

[Jac459]

I think it was really a very very smart move to hire the creator of Resonans and build with him THE flagship in physical modelling today.

I had no idea Robotic Bean helped create Objekt. Where did you see this? I mean, it tracks - Resonans was a cool RE, and Portatron is probably one of the coolest VST to come out in a long time. At least one from the Robotic Bean team used to actually work for Propellerhead back in the day.

"To keep up this high pace of development, we’re also excited to announce that Niklas Backlund, founder of Robotic Bean, has joined the team full-time. "
https://reasonstudios.com/blog/ceo-road ... june-2022/

I don't remember where I read that he was working on objekt but he was... (they didn't hire him to be an accountant ).

[EnochLight]

"To keep up this high pace of development, we’re also excited to announce that Niklas Backlund, founder of Robotic Bean, has joined the team full-time. "
https://reasonstudios.com/blog/ceo-road ... june-2022/

I don't remember where I read that he was working on objekt but he was...

Ahhhh very cool - yeah I missed that (but, oddly I now remember reading that a year ago)!

(they didn't hire him to be an accountant ).

[Psuper]

Reason will release a new one in a few weeks! Objekt.
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... on/objekt/

To my ears it has the same sound produced by Resonans Physical Synth:
https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/

In fact after listing closely, I'd swear that's 100% Resonans if it wasn't labeled differently.

I knew Objekt was a reskinned Resonans, just didn't know they hired the guy who made Resonans to begin with.

[EnochLight]

I knew Objekt was a reskinned Resonans, just didn't know they hired the guy who made Resonans to begin with.

Lmao! Objekt is absolutely *NOT* a reskinned Resonans, but nice try.

[Anosou]

I don't remember where I read that he was working on objekt but he was... (they didn't hire him to be an accountant ).

Wherever you read that had it wrong since he didn't!

Objekt was programmed by Peter Jubel and designed by a small team of two designers and a product manager (that last one is me). It's also unrelated to Resonans, which is built on the open source code for Rings / Elements by Mutable Instruments and focuses more on modal synthesis. Objekt is built from scratch and while it has a simpler modal resonator, the meat and potatoes of it is in the two newly made waveguide-based models.