An open letter to Native Instruments about Massive X. (Petition included!)

[vurt]

that's a simpsons reference btw.

[fisherKing]

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

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plus word of the day: "enshittification"

it's a perfectly cromulent word...

well said!

[Milkman]

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

yelling-cloud.gif

plus word of the day: "enshittification"

Sorry, I dont have someone else's meme or GIF to reply with and Im fresh out of "AI" to do it for me, showing a young child shouting at an adult about how they are too old to understand things. Maybe I should write an official letter to NI about this?

If you google 'enshittification', you may find some interesting references that line up with my point of view here.

[fisherKing]

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

yelling-cloud.gif

plus word of the day: "enshittification"

Sorry, I dont have someone else's meme or GIF to reply with and Im fresh out of "AI" to do it for me, showing a young child shouting at an adult about how they are too old to understand things. Maybe I should write an official letter to NI about this?

If you google 'enshittification', you may find some interesting references that line up with my point of view here.

just reacting to this: "The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing"

not sure what plugins/brands you use, but here, i value the new features & options the updated plugins i use offer. still, like anyone else, i want bugs fixed

[Milkman]

tbf, we already had two threads for venting at ni.
nothing said in this one is new, except the cereal stuff, thats new.

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

ah, i get you.
see i was looking at it like a relationship between two parties.
when one party stops doing the things the other enjoys, and you grow apart.

you can stick together and rehash the same old argument daily and be miserable, or move on with your life (choose a new brand) or you could stalk and harass them with complaints till the new partner of theirs ends up poking you in the eye or something equally painful.

im no good with analogies though, always veer off at the end.

I mean you quoted me, so it sounds like you are talking to me, but Ive spent the last 20 years complimenting, recommending, and being happy with NI, including in a professional environment I managed at a large S&E venue in Norcal, which is why Ive slowly spent something like...... $2000 with them. Did you think I spend all my time doing this, even when this is a very recent development that has frustrated me? Im not rehashing anything, and I was loathe to see NI move in this direction. This is me reaching my limit of frustration.

Its certainly a good thing we have threads like these in which to share our authentic opinions about the brands who desperately want our time and money.

[Milkman]

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

yelling-cloud.gif

plus word of the day: "enshittification"

Sorry, I dont have someone else's meme or GIF to reply with and Im fresh out of "AI" to do it for me, showing a young child shouting at an adult about how they are too old to understand things. Maybe I should write an official letter to NI about this?

If you google 'enshittification', you may find some interesting references that line up with my point of view here.

just reacting to this: "The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing"

not sure what plugins/brands you use, but here, i value the new features & options the updated plugins i use offer. still, like anyone else, i want bugs fixed

Just reacting-- with an ageist meme you probably found via image search algorithm, lol, in order to try to discredit the actual anger of NI's customer, me. Thanks for that though.

I use a galaxy of instruments, plugins, tools, and a couple DAWs. I, too, value new features and options, yadda yadda. Yes.

[fisherKing]

IIts certainly a good thing we have threads like these in which to share our authentic opinions about the brands who desperately want our time and money.

you don't need the word 'authentic'; everyone's opinion is authentic,valuable. and ALL companies, brands, developers... want our money; that's the whole point.

forums are a great place to discuss, vent.. whatever. but if you want to fix something, you have to reach out directly to the company, brand, or developer. venting on a forum may be therapeutic, but doesn't actually fix the issues that made you angry in the first place.

[vurt]

tbf, we already had two threads for venting at ni.
nothing said in this one is new, except the cereal stuff, thats new.

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

ah, i get you.
see i was looking at it like a relationship between two parties.
when one party stops doing the things the other enjoys, and you grow apart.

you can stick together and rehash the same old argument daily and be miserable, or move on with your life (choose a new brand) or you could stalk and harass them with complaints till the new partner of theirs ends up poking you in the eye or something equally painful.

im no good with analogies though, always veer off at the end.

I mean you quoted me, so it sounds like you are talking to me, but Ive spent the last 20 years complimenting, recommending, and being happy with NI, including in a professional environment I managed at a large S&E venue in Norcal, which is why Ive slowly spent something like...... $2000 with them. Did you think I spend all my time doing this, even when this is a very recent development that has frustrated me? Im not rehashing anything, and I was loathe to see NI move in this direction. This is me reaching my limit of frustration.

Its certainly a good thing we have threads like these in which to share our authentic opinions about the brands who desperately want our time and money.

no was just following on from my previous comment, explaining why i saw it different is all.
as i said, the thread is rehashing the same things the other threads did, not individuals within the thread (although many are the same )

and again, not you, but one common theme seems to be, the same people, coming back, to tell us they uninstalled everything.
which lead to my comment about harassing an ex once it's over.
they say they've moved on, but clearly they have not.

that said, we are on the same page with regards not being happy with the current offerings and missing the great old stuff.
i just cba going on about it after the first 200 threads had no effect
i moved on, to new partners so to speak, and have never been happier

[Milkman]

IIts certainly a good thing we have threads like these in which to share our authentic opinions about the brands who desperately want our time and money.

you don't need the word 'authentic'; everyone's opinion is authentic,valuable. and ALL companies, brands, developers... want our money; that's the whole point.

forums are a great place to discuss, vent.. whatever. but if you want to fix something, you have to reach out directly to the company, brand, or developer. venting on a forum may be therapeutic, but doesn't actually fix the issues that made you angry in the first place.

Ok great Ive heard your opinion and am fully informed. I know all about it now. Thanks.

In the future, before trying to offer any critical opinions about brands in a non-formal, unofficial space, I will consider your words and dejectedly ask myself "does it even matter? Does anything, really?".

[Milkman]

tbf, we already had two threads for venting at ni.
nothing said in this one is new, except the cereal stuff, thats new.

The intensity of the enshittification of NI and other favorite brands of ours is increasing over time, not decreasing.

Therefore the frequency and intensity of the complaints will also increase until the day that people just stop talking about that brand, which will be the end. Cereal analogies aside, it's simple math.

ah, i get you.
see i was looking at it like a relationship between two parties.
when one party stops doing the things the other enjoys, and you grow apart.

you can stick together and rehash the same old argument daily and be miserable, or move on with your life (choose a new brand) or you could stalk and harass them with complaints till the new partner of theirs ends up poking you in the eye or something equally painful.

im no good with analogies though, always veer off at the end.

I mean you quoted me, so it sounds like you are talking to me, but Ive spent the last 20 years complimenting, recommending, and being happy with NI, including in a professional environment I managed at a large S&E venue in Norcal, which is why Ive slowly spent something like...... $2000 with them. Did you think I spend all my time doing this, even when this is a very recent development that has frustrated me? Im not rehashing anything, and I was loathe to see NI move in this direction. This is me reaching my limit of frustration.

Its certainly a good thing we have threads like these in which to share our authentic opinions about the brands who desperately want our time and money.

no was just following on from my previous comment, explaining why i saw it different is all.
as i said, the thread is rehashing the same things the other threads did, not individuals within the thread (although many are the same )

and again, not you, but one common theme seems to be, the same people, coming back, to tell us they uninstalled everything.
which lead to my comment about harassing an ex once it's over.
they say they've moved on, but clearly they have not.

that said, we are on the same page with regards not being happy with the current offerings and missing the great old stuff.
i just cba going on about it after the first 200 threads had no effect
i moved on, to new partners so to speak, and have never been happier

Thanks for explaining that, lol. Sorry, Im multitasking a bit here and possibly misread your tone. Ive been basically a brand manager for NI for 20 years and it hurts me to turn on them like this.

I hope NI sees that people are starting to believe they dont care, regardless of how many lengthy, passionate threads exist about it all. I genuinely hope something changes, but I have no problem moving on if it comes down to it.

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

No matter what you all think of NI they recently started a charity campaign for a good cause that ends next month! This shows that they really deserve our money, regardless of pretty much anything wrong they've ever done or will do: https://therealdeal.com/miami/2022/11/0 ... e-for-15m/ <——

They are THE REAL DEAL!

[egbert101]

83 people paying customers have voted for more love for their products so far. NI literally losing money!

[CrystalWizard]

No matter what you all think of NI they recently started a charity campaign for a good cause that ends next month! This shows that they really deserve our money, regardless of pretty much anything wrong they've ever done or will do: https://therealdeal.com/miami/2022/11/0 ... e-for-15m/ <——

They are THE REAL DEAL!

[fisherKing]

Ok great Ive heard your opinion and am fully informed. I know all about it now. Thanks.

In the future, before trying to offer any critical opinions about brands in a non-formal, unofficial space, I will consider your words and dejectedly ask myself "does it even matter? Does anything, really?".

and i will consider your words and dejectedly ask myself the same thing. so here, at least, we're in agreement

[fisherKing]

83 people paying customers have voted for more love for their products so far. NI literally losing money!

at this moment, there are 84 people who own NI software and think it needs 'more love'. only 7 people so far don't own any NI software. how is NI losing money exactly? hmmm