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Opaque wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:14 pm True, but one has to do with the creative direction of the company and where their efforts are focused, and the other is a complaint regarding how it functions or the mistakes they do in the form of bugs, slow development, etc.
People are usually more understanding of the second one, as is the case with u-he, while there first one is a conscious and intentional decision by the company.
NI definitely had much much larger technical debt than U-He. There's not any doubt about that, when Urs only had Zebra 1 out, NI had Komplete 2. Without any doubt it was a massive effort to get their entire line to VST 3 and Apple Silicon, and they still haven't gotten resizable GUIs. Yes, some of this is because developers/companies make the choice to work on new products rather than fixing issues with existing code, and that's unfortunately the nature of capitalism, they need to bring in money, no one is going to be rushing to buy Reaktor because the GUI is now resizable. Point is it's probably not as much of a conscious decision as we would like to believe. I doubt they're rolling in money from upgrades right now, and that probably led to their decision not to hire Brian to fix Absynth.

None of those things I love, but I haven't yet found a developer who does things entirely 100% how I would like it to happen. Recently AudioFinder has stagnated, for about two years. Prior to that the developer more or less had monthly builds, super reliable etc. Then last month he torched his support forum likely because it was filled with speculation about it being dead, and announced it's "in development". Ohm are AWOL, same more or less with Audio Ease, VSL etc.

I just think we (customers) hold NI up to a higher standard than other companies, and IMO the larger the company the more likely some key developer for an application bails and leaves behind insurmountable technical debt.

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Reaktor is resizable now?

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machinesworking wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:28 am
I just think we (customers) hold NI up to a higher standard than other companies, and IMO the larger the company the more likely some key developer for an application bails and leaves behind insurmountable technical debt.
(clever attempt to blame users for NI's current issues)

Please speak for yourself. I don't hold NI to a higher standard. Rather it's NI which has more and more been failing to meet the common standard I set for whatever synths and FX I consider purchasing or to continue to using.

Also, Absynth was not insurmountable technical debt. The developer himself wanted to refresh Absynth. It more reflects a deficit... a deficit of creativity, vision and passion at NI.

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pdxindy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:26 am (clever attempt to blame users for NI's current issues)
More like complete utter misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
Please speak for yourself. I don't hold NI to a higher standard. Rather it's NI which has more and more been failing to meet the common standard I set for whatever synths and FX I consider purchasing or to continue to using.
Sure, I'm not happy about Absynth. You have every right to make whatever decision you want to about what they offer.
Also, Absynth was not insurmountable technical debt. The developer himself wanted to refresh Absynth. It more reflects a deficit... a deficit of creativity, vision and passion at NI.
The developer who no longer works for NI, wanted to refresh Absynth for a fee. Like I hypothesized, (and it's not that crazy of an idea), the time and money they've already spent on VST3 and Apple Silicon support, and still have to spend on resizable GUI's has probably drained them enough, unless you think Brian would do it for peanuts.

I dunno, the amount of emotional tags you use to describe NI is absolutely endemic and points to a higher standard. Were you this upset when Spark was deprecated? You probably don't own Uhbik, Altiverb, VEP, Air plug ins etc. etc.

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machinesworking wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:06 am Were you this upset when Spark was deprecated?
Upset is too strong a word. I consider what has happened to NI unfortunate and especially their neglect of an iconic synth like Absynth. It would be great to see it find a rebirth... same for NI in general.

I hardly know what Spark is. Never used it or thought about it.

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Wait. I thought Spark was still actively supported. The website says it's included in Komplete 14. Am I missing something?

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masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:12 am Wait. I thought Spark was still actively supported. The website says it's included in Komplete 14. Am I missing something?
Oh, I had the impression Spark was from Arturia.

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pdxindy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:13 am
masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:12 am Wait. I thought Spark was still actively supported. The website says it's included in Komplete 14. Am I missing something?
Oh, I had the impression Spark was from Arturia.
Spark is by Arturia yes
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PieBerger wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:33 am
pdxindy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:13 am
masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:12 am Wait. I thought Spark was still actively supported. The website says it's included in Komplete 14. Am I missing something?
Oh, I had the impression Spark was from Arturia.
Spark is by Arturia yes
And Reaktor Spark is by NI.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... tor-spark/
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https://www.arturia.com/products/drums/spark2
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whyterabbyt wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:56 am
PieBerger wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:33 am
pdxindy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:13 am
masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:12 am Wait. I thought Spark was still actively supported. The website says it's included in Komplete 14. Am I missing something?
Oh, I had the impression Spark was from Arturia.
Spark is by Arturia yes
And Reaktor Spark is by NI.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... tor-spark/
vs
https://www.arturia.com/products/drums/spark2
Ah yes, thanks for the correction!
Always Read the Manual!

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pdxindy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:57 am
machinesworking wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:06 am Were you this upset when Spark was deprecated?
Upset is too strong a word. I consider what has happened to NI unfortunate and especially their neglect of an iconic synth like Absynth. It would be great to see it find a rebirth... same for NI in general.

I hardly know what Spark is. Never used it or thought about it.
The point again is simple, NI deprecated Absynth and it’s like every last thing they do sucks, which even as a user I’ve also been guilty of doing. Arturia deprecate Spark (their Maschine competition, in some ways better than Maschine ), and because they’re not bogged down by technical debt (they spent time resizing their GUIs, and getting to AS and VST3), they get a pass on that one. To be fair people lost their mind about the way Arturia did their resizable GUIs, because that’s the internet!

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machinesworking wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:44 pm The point again is simple, NI deprecated Absynth and it’s like every last thing they do sucks, which even as a user I’ve also been guilty of doing.
Okay, so you have said/thought that everything NI does sucks... now you have found a more nuanced point of view.

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PieBerger wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:33 am
pdxindy wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:13 am
masterhiggins wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:12 am Wait. I thought Spark was still actively supported. The website says it's included in Komplete 14. Am I missing something?
Oh, I had the impression Spark was from Arturia.
Spark is by Arturia yes
Ohhhh, sorry. Yeah, Spark, particularly with the full-size controller (not SparkLE) was amazing. Jamming on it was very close to jamming on a hardware drum machine as it had quite a few useful visual feedback LEDs and an LCD display and lots of knobs. Sparkle dropped a lot of that and was a dismal failure.

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machinesworking wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:06 am More like complete utter misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.
Then maybe you didn't say it very well, because here's what I read:
I just think we (customers) hold NI up to a higher standard than other companies
I think not.

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