If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[liquidsound]

Well, I fully agree that it is irrelevant.... But if you didn't do it yet you should really try modulations in bitwig because comparing them to ableton is like comparing a beach in Seychelles vs one in the North of France, same but not the same....

Ableton on the other hand has a ton of very cool unique features, like the push 3 which is damn sexy.... so yes, it is irrelevant to compare, just fun.

I’ve been working with Bitwig probably 2 years, IIRC.

You can compare as long as you feel necessary but if we need to go further you have no idea what a M4L device can do “IF” you need such a power.
There are devices, among the free ones, that are incredibly useful and some are just very specialized and useless to the majority.

Again, it’s all based on your needs to “make music” in the way that fits you best.

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

But I need a better DAW thank you.

[Jac459]

I’ve been working with Bitwig probably 2 years, IIRC.

You can compare as long as you feel necessary but if we need to go further you have no idea what a M4L device can do “IF” you need such a power.
There are devices, among the free ones, that are incredibly useful and some are just very specialized and useless to the majority.

Again, it’s all based on your needs to “make music” in the way that fits you best.

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

But I need a better DAW thank you.

Well I used ableton for 6 months. Forcing me to learn it and like it. Didn't manage. I already use Excel in my day job, thanks.

I guess indeed it is a better DAW for accountant lol.

Anyway, as said before the discussion is irrelevant. There is no best daw. There is a best daw for usage/ genre/ workflow.
Everybody should do its own homework and decide.

[liquidsound]

I’ve been working with Bitwig probably 2 years, IIRC.

You can compare as long as you feel necessary but if we need to go further you have no idea what a M4L device can do “IF” you need such a power.
There are devices, among the free ones, that are incredibly useful and some are just very specialized and useless to the majority.

Again, it’s all based on your needs to “make music” in the way that fits you best.

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

But I need a better DAW thank you.

Well I used ableton for 6 months. Forcing me to learn it and like it. Didn't manage. I already use Excel in my day job, thanks.

I guess indeed it is a better DAW for accountant lol.

Anyway, as said before the discussion is irrelevant. There is no best daw. There is a best daw for usage/ genre/ workflow.
Everybody should do its own homework and decide.

At least now I know you like the “brown version” of excel.
Actually we got more colors available in the original

[dellboy]

Or maybe your point is to say that electronic music is in fact not music because there isn't talented interpret to play it ?

Sorry, I did not make my point clear. Yes, pretty much the point you make.

Music goes back thousands of years. It was achieved by a human being manipulating some sort of drum or musical instrument. No computers needed. No matter how complex the music was, it could always be played in real time by a skilled,dedicated musician.

A guitar has amazing modulation abilities, tremolo, vibrato, bend notes, polyphonic, touch sensitive etc. The best guitarists can play written music, including modulations, that on paper looks impossible to do.

Bitwig,with its incredible modulation tools, encourages composers to write music that would be impossible to perform live in the real world. So at a "live show" you end up having a gifted composer standing behind a laptop while graphics are displayed on a large screen.

Soon Ai will be able to replicate this "music" and graphics and eliminate the need for a human.

[Jac459]

I’ve been working with Bitwig probably 2 years, IIRC.

You can compare as long as you feel necessary but if we need to go further you have no idea what a M4L device can do “IF” you need such a power.
There are devices, among the free ones, that are incredibly useful and some are just very specialized and useless to the majority.

Again, it’s all based on your needs to “make music” in the way that fits you best.

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

But I need a better DAW thank you.

Well I used ableton for 6 months. Forcing me to learn it and like it. Didn't manage. I already use Excel in my day job, thanks.

I guess indeed it is a better DAW for accountant lol.

Anyway, as said before the discussion is irrelevant. There is no best daw. There is a best daw for usage/ genre/ workflow.
Everybody should do its own homework and decide.

At least now I know you like the “brown version” of excel.
Actually we got more colors available in the original

A good excel is a dead excel my friend

[Jac459]

Or maybe your point is to say that electronic music is in fact not music because there isn't talented interpret to play it ?

Sorry, I did not make my point clear. Yes, pretty much the point you make.

Music goes back thousands of years. It was achieved by a human being manipulating some sort of drum or musical instrument. No computers needed. No matter how complex the music was, it could always be played in real time by a skilled,dedicated musician.

A guitar has amazing modulation abilities, tremolo, vibrato, bend notes, polyphonic, touch sensitive etc. The best guitarists can play written music, including modulations, that on paper looks impossible to do.

Bitwig,with its incredible modulation tools, encourages composers to write music that would be impossible to perform live in the real world. So at a "live show" you end up having a gifted composer standing behind a laptop while graphics are displayed on a large screen.

Soon Ai will be able to replicate this "music" and graphics and eliminate the need for a human.

I think a lot of things changed since 2000 years.... the way we communicate, are distracted, even the way we think. There are pretty interesting studies around that...

The fact that music is changing is not a bad thing.... embrace change....

As per AI, it is a point of singularity. Nobody of us what will happen.... no need to extensively discuss about it....

[sQeetz]

As per AI, it is a point of singularity. Nobody of us what will happen.... no need to extensively discuss about it....

Of course there is need to discuss that. Especially in a music making forum... not in this particular thread, though.

[Jac459]

As per AI, it is a point of singularity. Nobody of us what will happen.... no need to extensively discuss about it....

Of course there is need to discuss that. Especially in a music making forum... not in this particular thread, though.

No no sorry, it isn't my point.
What I meant to say is that we are discussing AI, which is a singularity point for the human species... what it will do for musicians is anecdotic compare to the global transforming impact it will have.... start a war, start revolution as it will destroy so many jobs, transform the balance of power between countries....

I am talking at 5 years, not tomorrow....
Enjoy your Sunday

[dellboy]

I think a lot of things changed since 2000 years.... the way we communicate, are distracted, even the way we think. There are pretty interesting studies around that...

The fact that music is changing is not a bad thing.... embrace change....

As per AI, it is a point of singularity. Nobody of us what will happen.... no need to extensively discuss about it....

Ai Music DAWs are already here.............

https://wavtool.com/

[Atlatnesiti]

Funny poll…
Obviously free app like Reaper will get most votes
Interestingly enough, $868 dollar Cubase Pro is right there…
I’m for one voted for Cubase There is no substitute for it.

[FapFilter]

Reaper is not free, but i agree that it's low, non-commercial license price, will help it's popularity.
this would help anything else too though.
if the full featured Pro-Tools was $60 for non-professionals, most people would use it too - and honestly it would be a great choice aswell - same as pretty much anything else on the market.
and Cubase for instance, at least in my area, gained it's poularity in the 90's and early 00's because it was, erm... "free" (meaning cracked) too.
you just need to be familiar with your tools that hopefully have some good stability. everything else is really unimportant, as pretty much anything can be done on anything anyway.
so it's just use the tools that you like, be it because of workflow, features, familiarity, stability, compatibility, price tag, (long term) support, compatibility, the color of the GUI, the fancy name, or band / producer X, Y and Z used it.
most other tools could provide you more or less the same, unless you insist that everything needs to be modulated by anything, or that everything, even the most minute details, need to be fully customizable, or other stuff like that.

our choice is nothing more than "i like chocolate ice", while someone else, maybe even a famous composer prefers strawberry

[Michael L]

Legendary composer Steve Reich (Pulitzer, two Grammys, 86 years old and still composing) says he uses the NN-XT sampler in Reason to mockup his compositions.

[vurt]

Legendary composer Steve Reich (Pulitzer, two Grammys, 86 years old and still composing) says he uses the NN-XT sampler in Reason to mockup his compositions.

imagine being 86 and still having both grandmother's alive? they must be as wrinkly as a scrotum.

[neverbeeninariot]

Legendary composer Steve Reich (Pulitzer, two Grammys, 86 years old and still composing) says he uses the NN-XT sampler in Reason to mockup his compositions.

imagine being 86 and still having both grandmother's alive? they must be as wrinkly as a scrotum.

[neverbeeninariot]

Funny poll…
Obviously free app like Reaper will get most votes
Interestingly enough, $868 dollar Cubase Pro is right there…
I’m for one voted for Cubase There is no substitute for it.

Is that US or Aussie $ ?

If it's US and you paid $868, they saw you coming... If it's Aussie, I could believe that. Price is currently ~$640 US (converted from £ and including VAT/sales tax), and will be considerably cheaper in a sale.

Also, yeah you winked, but Reaper is definitely not free. $60 for a personal licence, $225(ish) for a commercial licence. But, it comes with no instruments, and, um, serviceable effects - Unless you plan to use only freely available plugins, you need to budget for that too, so add a couple hundred $...