If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[liquidsound]

I’ve been working with Bitwig probably 2 years, IIRC.

You can compare as long as you feel necessary but if we need to go further you have no idea what a M4L device can do “IF” you need such a power.
There are devices, among the free ones, that are incredibly useful and some are just very specialized and useless to the majority.

Again, it’s all based on your needs to “make music” in the way that fits you best.

You should be very grateful (and you are, right?) that you have found a modulation heaven in Bitwig. It’s a neat DAW for the few passionate users that is fulfilling their vision of endless options. Great!

But I need a better DAW thank you.

Well I used ableton for 6 months. Forcing me to learn it and like it. Didn't manage. I already use Excel in my day job, thanks.

I guess indeed it is a better DAW for accountant lol.

Anyway, as said before the discussion is irrelevant. There is no best daw. There is a best daw for usage/ genre/ workflow.
Everybody should do its own homework and decide.

At least now I know you like the “brown version” of excel.
Actually we got more colors available in the original

A good excel is a dead excel my friend

Are you ok my friend?
Looks like you need a brake from the real excel…
I’ve been there but I wrote the database for my company because I wanted it exactly my way and I could adapt it as I grew the company but… it’s a hell of a job. I will eventually hire someone and they will use a different platform.

But yeah, it sound like excel is getting the best of you and consequently stay away from Ableton especially after 6 months of repulsion to the sheet!

Ha ha, then you are an accountant or an IT? I did believe IT were the most boring in the world (I am IT) but then I discovered accountants ....

And then you have accountant and IT at the same time. I have one in my team. If I ask him if the light is on, he will explain me how the switch works. By the time he eventually answer I won't be listening anymore....

So yes, I am terrorised by excel....

No. I own my company and I took over the database side of the business…
It was fun at the beginning but I’m also the creator of the products and that took time away from music… Bravo

My wife is an excel passionate and she hates DBS, so we are perfect together

[BONES]

Not at all the point I was making dude. As often, you try to answer multiple people in one shot but you lose track of the discussion. Read again.

Just as I had feared but it was the only point I could get from for your ridiculous rant that made even the tiniest bit of sense.

[EnGee]

PatchWork is for MuLab because Reason Rack is VST3.
MuLab is incredible (deeply modular) and the Matrix (session view) is very powerful and I’m just scratching the surface of it after coming back to use it full force (I spent a lot of time with BWS the past few years and I put several tools on the back burner).
The Clips in the session are independent from the arranger and IIRC you can even mix different tempo at the same time ( I will need to refresh on that one but I’m not with my laptop.) So that problem of recording over the arranger in Bitwig and Ableton it’s not present in MuLab.

MuLab doesn't support VST3?! Strange! Is it going to in the future? Or is it a policy of the developer to not support vst3?

[dellboy]

In this instance I was referencing performers like Amon tobin who seem to perform solo. I am not even saying there is anything wrong with that, other than the musician could not perform their show minus the computer.

I managed with hardware for 15 years, it's easily doable and I could happily get up and do a whole NOVAkILL set on my own and I doubt the audience would care that most of the sound is coming out of a laptop. Again, you need to use a bit of imagination. I see very little difference between having a backing band and using a computer to provide your backing. Obviously there is the visual element but there are so many things you can do to cover that.

You do understand that Amon Tobin is not a conventional musician?

He rips samples off records and manipulates them,and stitches the whole lot together into a track. He then sets it to on-screen graphics. His music is heavily dependent on visuals. He does not appear on stage playing an instrument because no instrumental playing is used in the music. Well, he might strum a guitar chord to capture it and then mangle it out of existence.

[BONES]

I know his music is absolute krap, as in truly f**king awful, but he seems to be the perfect illustration of what I'm saying about live performance, from what I've read about his shows. I don't play anything most of the time on stage, either. When I do, it is something super-simple that I can manage without having to think about it. As long as it's entertaining for the audience, it doesn't matter. Just look at how many people enjoy karaoke.

[Jac459]

I know his music is absolute krap, as in truly f**king awful, but he seems to be the perfect illustration of what I'm saying about live performance, from what I've read about his shows. I don't play anything most of the time on stage, either. When I do, it is something super-simple that I can manage without having to think about it. As long as it's entertaining for the audience, it doesn't matter. Just look at how many people enjoy karaoke.

You are very funny....

[sQeetz]

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You are very funny....

He is now, isn't he? Like a cute puppy repeating its cute trick all the time... GRRRR!! aawww...who's a good boy? you're a good boy GRRRRR

[Jac459]

Not at all the point I was making dude. As often, you try to answer multiple people in one shot but you lose track of the discussion. Read again.

Just as I had feared but it was the only point I could get from for your ridiculous rant that made even the tiniest bit of sense.

I am sure indeed it is flying way over your head lol.
But you have to excuse me, I am used to interact with people with much stronger analytical and reasoning skills than you. It is a bit of a challenge to write something you are able to understand.
I know we are many struggling ...
Some gave up already but I was still trying lol....

[Jac459]

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You are very funny....

He is now, isn't he? Like a cute puppy repeating its cute trick all the time

Haha.
I still remember someone telling him "stop yelling at clouds". I find it the best way to describe it.

[syntonica]

PatchWork is for MuLab because Reason Rack is VST3.
MuLab is incredible (deeply modular) and the Matrix (session view) is very powerful and I’m just scratching the surface of it after coming back to use it full force (I spent a lot of time with BWS the past few years and I put several tools on the back burner).
The Clips in the session are independent from the arranger and IIRC you can even mix different tempo at the same time ( I will need to refresh on that one but I’m not with my laptop.) So that problem of recording over the arranger in Bitwig and Ableton it’s not present in MuLab.

MuLab doesn't support VST3?! Strange! Is it going to in the future? Or is it a policy of the developer to not support vst3?

CLAP support is in beta right now. I don't think that he will be adding VST3.

[pdxindy]

I don't think he is marketing Bitwig or u-he, but he is absolutely a fan of them. Nothing is wrong with that IMO.

Anyway, both Bitwig and Live are excellent DAWs. IMO, both have some advantages over the other. It also depends what we get used to from workflow.

Absolutely I'm a fan of both Bitwig and u-he... Not only is there nothing wrong with that, there's something right with that.

I would say every DAW today is excellent. They are all amazingly capable these days. Every DAW has stuff to be excited about. I happen to be enthused about MPE and the collaboration between Bitwig and u-he to bring it to the next level with CLAP. That capability is a dream come true for me.

[machinesworking]

I run both systems almost equally, but i must choose only one in the end for music making. Mostly, this will be my Mini Mac because it is completely silent with great performance. However, I don't know exactly what will happen to this platform in the future! If Apple prices them way too high, I might return to my PC, so I don't want to depend only on one system. I even tried for some time Bitwig on Linux (Ubuntu) and it runs fantastically well! So this is another option for me to make music with

Yeah I recently came into some cash, and wanted to buy a monster computer, I nearly switched to Windows and a PC, but the guy I'm writing with uses both, and vastly prefers Mac OS for music. I find that a bit odd, but to be fair I've clocked maybe 24 hours on a PC for music specifically. I realized any savings I got and upgradability etc. would be a loss when you add in any caveats to not being super familiar with Windows.

Honestly you can see it in Apples store that the pricing for an M2 without large RAM and SSD sizes is competitive now. Apple charges a premium for RAM and SSDs, but to be fair they always go with the latest greatest which are super expensive no matter how you slice it. It was going to be the same price in the end for a bit more CPU and a lot more noise, plus time sucked into porting etc. Plus mixed reports on Windows for Digital Performer which is still my main DAW. No matter how much I like working with Live or Bitwig I get frustrated with the constant workarounds for various things DAWs like Logic and DP do naturally.

[EnGee]

Yeah I recently came into some cash, and wanted to buy a monster computer, I nearly switched to Windows and a PC, but the guy I'm writing with uses both, and vastly prefers Mac OS for music. I find that a bit odd, but to be fair I've clocked maybe 24 hours on a PC for music specifically. I realized any savings I got and upgradability etc. would be a loss when you add in any caveats to not being super familiar with Windows.

Honestly you can see it in Apples store that the pricing for an M2 without large RAM and SSD sizes is competitive now. Apple charges a premium for RAM and SSDs, but to be fair they always go with the latest greatest which are super expensive no matter how you slice it. It was going to be the same price in the end for a bit more CPU and a lot more noise, plus time sucked into porting etc. Plus mixed reports on Windows for Digital Performer which is still my main DAW. No matter how much I like working with Live or Bitwig I get frustrated with the constant workarounds for various things DAWs like Logic and DP do naturally.

I think it depends on your tools (DAWs especially). For me, I would choose apple Silicon based computer especially for Cubase and Live.
For a PC, if I want to build a new one, I would downgrade to 65 watt processor from a previous generation (Intel 12, or AMD 5000 series). For example, instead of my 5800x I would take 5600. The main reason is the new processors are damn hot. Heat means noise. It's no problem for gamers (the main target for PC), but not for musicians on budget!
A good graphic card is recommended and I would choose a quiet amd 6600 or nVidia 3060 instead of my 3070. The ram is not that important! 16 gb to 32 gb is more than enough for me. Ssd would the best I can afford though with a good mid range motherboard from Asus or Gigabyte. Of course, with a great silent cooler and case.
This PC build would for either Bitwig, S1, Reaper or FLS. Those run great with Windows based machine.
Linux also can be a solution especially for DAWs like Bitwig and Reaper. They run very well. But if I want to use Bitwig and u-he only with my hardware synths, I might choose Linux, otherwise, Windows is more practical IMO.

[BONES]

But you have to excuse me, I am used to interact with people with much stronger analytical and reasoning skills than you.

Keep telling yourself that and you'll continue to look like a complete idiot your whole life. To even suggest there is any expression in Amon Tobin's music is absurd on the face of it. It's the complete opposite of that, soulless and boring.

[EnGee]

PatchWork is for MuLab because Reason Rack is VST3.
MuLab is incredible (deeply modular) and the Matrix (session view) is very powerful and I’m just scratching the surface of it after coming back to use it full force (I spent a lot of time with BWS the past few years and I put several tools on the back burner).
The Clips in the session are independent from the arranger and IIRC you can even mix different tempo at the same time ( I will need to refresh on that one but I’m not with my laptop.) So that problem of recording over the arranger in Bitwig and Ableton it’s not present in MuLab.

MuLab doesn't support VST3?! Strange! Is it going to in the future? Or is it a policy of the developer to not support vst3?

CLAP support is in beta right now. I don't think that he will be adding VST3.

I see. Thanks.