If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[machinesworking]

I don't even treat my phone that way.
Most manufacturers suggest restarts to let their system perform automated functions. And I save projects throughout its creation. Would never leave that to chance.

What freaking ancient relic of a phone do you have that you’re turning off when you’re not using it????

Well, a restart only takes a minute and that is probably closer to a monthly thing. I do choose to turn it completely off and often don't even carry it with me. So far, it doesn't own me as it does so many I see nowadays. It's just another tool, and by far not the most important one.

One of my good friends had a Blackberry up until two years ago! He’s about the cheapest person I know!

I restart my smartphone only when it starts acting odd. Modern OS’s don’t need much coddling really, even iOS and Android.

[pdxindy]

I don't even treat my phone that way.
Most manufacturers suggest restarts to let their system perform automated functions. And I save projects throughout its creation. Would never leave that to chance.

I was pointing out that today, it is possible to treat a laptop like a phone. Whether you want to is up to you.

[pdxindy]

Well, a restart only takes a minute and that is probably closer to a monthly thing. I do choose to turn it completely off and often don't even carry it with me. So far, it doesn't own me as it does so many I see nowadays. It's just another tool, and by far not the most important one.

I mostly keep the ringer off and don't carry it around with me all the time... about one or two days a week I don't look at it at all Not as a purposeful plan)... but I never shut it down cause there's no need to. Seems like a waste of energy

[machinesworking]

I post here all the time from my phone, it’s also key to all my businesses. I restart it maybe twice a year. much better than a pager or tied to a laptop etc.

[syntonica]

Hey, this is all OFF-TOPIC! It belongs in the "If you had to stick to one Electronic Device, which one would it be?" thread.

[Michael L]

Hey, this is all OFF-TOPIC!

No, a phone is:
1. Digital
2. Audio
3. Work

[Jac459]

Hey, this is all OFF-TOPIC! It belongs in the "If you had to stick to one Electronic Device, which one would it be?" thread.

Lol, I am sorry I missed this discussion, I was too busy making music in bitwig... (while rebooting my phone)

[machinesworking]

Hey, this is all OFF-TOPIC!

No, a phone is:
1. Digital
2. Audio
3. Work

For real though, Garageband, Reason Compact, iMPC 2, iMaschine, Sunvox are all mini DAWS on the iPhone here.

[fmr]

Back on topic. It surprised me the relatively small number of users that answered Logic Pro. I thought that basically anyone using a Mac would opt for Logic Pro. Apparently that's not the case, since I believe that, in what concerns music, the market is more or less 50/50 between macOS and Windows. Even Studio One has more users opting for it as their main DAW than Logic Pro.

I'm also surprised by the numbers of Bitwig Studio. Being a new contender, I was expecting it to fall way behind Ableton LIve (it's main competitor, IMO). That's not the case, though.

REAPER, OTH, is gaining more and more fans each year, despite all its idiosyncrasies. Cubase is the absolute king of the classics.

[Bombadil]

Logic, to me, is a no-brainer. Tried Reaper and Cubase 10. Logic is the most comfortable and feature-rich for me. And it cost me 179€ 10 years ago.

[machinesworking]

Back on topic. It surprised me the relatively small number of users that answered Logic Pro. I thought that basically anyone using a Mac would opt for Logic Pro. Apparently that's not the case, since I believe that, in what concerns music, the market is more or less 50/50 between macOS and Windows. Even Studio One has more users opting for it as their main DAW than Logic Pro.

I'm also surprised by the numbers of Bitwig Studio. Being a new contender, I was expecting it to fall way behind Ableton LIve (it's main competitor, IMO). That's not the case, though.

REAPER, OTH, is gaining more and more fans each year, despite all its idiosyncrasies. Cubase is the absolute king of the classics.

One thing to realize is KVR is not a slice of all users, it's plug in user, and PC heavy in it's make up IMO, with an older demographic than the entire musician/DAW user base. Bitwigs "official" forum is here, so it's going to lean more towards Bitwig for instance.

Go look at active members of Facebook groups for various DAWs, if you use that as a more generalized slice of the market share, you're going to get vastly different numbers. Same with VI-Control, Gearspace etc. VI-Control is super film composer heavy, and you would think that it was all about Logic, Cubase and DP there. Gearspace has far far more Pro Tools users etc. FL Studio is vastly more popular than the numbers we see here as well.

Not arguing that Logic isn't the de facto DAW on Mac, everything points to it being in the top five, but for instance I have a copy but I use DP, and most people I know in my area are either using Live or Reaper.

[fmr]

Facebook groups for various DAWs, if you use that as a more generalized slice of the market share, you're going to get vastly different numbers. Same with VI-Control, Gearspace etc. VI-Control is super film composer heavy, and you would think that it was all about Logic, Cubase and DP there. Gearspace has far far more Pro Tools users etc. FL Studio is vastly more popular than the numbers we see here as well.

Fair points, those you raise above Just curious: In what exactly do you base your opinion of KVR being PC heavy?

Anyway, I wonder if there is any single source where we could search for stats about the proportion of Mac/PC users in music, and the DAW each one is using, besides digging on all those groups.

Anyone?

[Jac459]

Back on topic. It surprised me the relatively small number of users that answered Logic Pro. I thought that basically anyone using a Mac would opt for Logic Pro. Apparently that's not the case, since I believe that, in what concerns music, the market is more or less 50/50 between macOS and Windows. Even Studio One has more users opting for it as their main DAW than Logic Pro.

I'm also surprised by the numbers of Bitwig Studio. Being a new contender, I was expecting it to fall way behind Ableton LIve (it's main competitor, IMO). That's not the case, though.

REAPER, OTH, is gaining more and more fans each year, despite all its idiosyncrasies. Cubase is the absolute king of the classics.

From a demographic and statistic standpoint, I have two considerations:

1
I consider regular people on KVR being a bit more passionate than usual.

To me it is very similar to a Gym membership. A shit ton of people are having one. Much less are actually going.
People on KVR are the one "going" while I expect a sizeable number of people investing on music creation tool and abandonning after a (short) while.

2.
The other consideration is that people who are not focusing much on tools, because they have their habits, don't intend to change or learn/ use new stuffs will also be under represented in kvr who is more a forum where people share experience about new stuffs.

Basically the consideration 2. would show an over representation of "geeks" who like to experiment and try new stuffs.
In this context it is quite natural to have bitwig and reaper very well represented.
The consideration 1. will reduce the representation of "de facto" DAW like Logic that a lot of less passionate people would buy by default because it is easy and cheap (that has nothing to do with the quality of Logic which can also be an excellent choice for hard-core users, that is just explaining why the real market share is underrepresented in kvr).

[machinesworking]

Fair points, those you raise above Just curious: In what exactly do you base your opinion of KVR being PC heavy?

15 years of interacting with people here? I mean literally at first there seemed like only a handful of mac users around these parts, but that's changed a bit over the years. Just a guess, but the average KVR user releases some things on Bandcamp, maybe makes a side job amount of money off of music, is in his 40's to 50's, uses a PC and generally has a solid understanding of music and audio software.

Compare that to my main DAW Digital Performers main web fan site Motunations user base in their late 50's or 60's, pro or semi pro, knows next to nothing about audio software and a lot about music.

Anyway, I wonder if there is any single source where we could search for stats about the proportion of Mac/PC users in music, and the DAW each one is using, besides digging on all those groups.

Anyone?

Unfortunately it's harder than you'd think, most DAWs aren't part of publicly traded companies, and they don't publish their sales figures. Almost all attempts point to the top five or so being Cubase, Logic, FL Studio, Live, and Pro Tools. Then second tier but climbing up, Reaper, Studio One. After that Reason, Bitwig, DP, Samplitude, Mixcraft etc. etc. I don't think that Maschine or the MPC really apply here?

[Artie Fichelle]

If I had an eternal life, I would chose Reaper, If I want to finish a piece fastly, I go to Studio One. I had a very good knowledge of Logic, but I did not want to buy Apple Hardware. I few years I had a Hackintosh, but then the hassle with the Nvidia cards started. So I switched to Windows and Studio One, as well as Reaper, Bitwig, and Reason 12.
My advice for beginners: learn one DAW really well, and the others a bit.