Vital - Released

[Masterofdisaster]

I could insult and make fun also but that's not my style, plus I don't like bullying.

. . .

And vurt you're literally the poster child of kvr group think. You think you are funny and being sarcastic but you're actually not.

So... You're just talking out your other hole.

It seems to be your style after all.

no thats me AFter the fact of being ganged up on. when you get defensive you might get a bit upset and say some upset things. but tbh, those arent insults are they? they are merely reactions. but now we are going drastically off topic and into semantics..

Just load up a snippet of few seconds and point out where you perceive the problem.

That’s shouldn’t be difficult.

Just curious. Did you do a blind test yourself?
I did few times (with the help of my unwilling wife ) for different reasons and it works.

The clips themselves are literally just a few seconds. And since LFO8 is such a good sport he left them up all this time.

If you honestly can't tell B apart from A, that's cool but don't assume everyone can't.

I’m talking about making a blind test yourself in your set up. If your problem is subjective, and by far according to the responses you’re getting seems to be the case, you are going to be miserable with Vital. Get rid of it.
If it is objective you should be able to demonstrate it. If you can’t, then it’s subjective for lack of proof.

but for me to make such a blind test i would have to be as good as LFO8 into making two synths sound that identical. im not. so ill just refer to his test, (the one he did honestly). As they sound very very close to being identical yet I can hear (and others can aswell) the difference. What you want is literally just 2 or 3 pages away and to me that is objective and demonstrable. Theres no lack of proof since LFO8 did that already.

[Masterofdisaster]

Sigh.. All the people making fun of me cause I hear a difference it's so tiresome. And vurt you're literally the poster child of kvr group think. You think you are funny and being sarcastic but you're actually not. I could insult and make fun also but that's not my style, plus I don't like bullying. This is like a whole forum now vs me, and tbh I grow tired of it altogether.

psst i dont even use vital
im not against you in any way.
if you dont like a synth, i personally, dont care, theres plenty out there to like and dislike.

im sorry you took my comment as an insult, was just as you say yourself, a joke, to try to lighten the mood as i dont like folk arguing here.
do i always get it right, no, as here, it was taken as malicious.

it may feel like an attack now, but please, just relax and have fun here, dont take others so serious (you might turn in to bones )

i appreciate that alot. thats nice of you to say. but unfortunately i did feel a bit ganged up on, and when that happens, especially over the internet you tend to put your thorns up and that to me is just human nature.

[enCiphered]

We're all just out here in Synthland, grooving to our own funky beats. It's like a synth buffet, or a synth potluck, and everyone's bringing their own sonic snacks to the table. Just because I don't dig on some patch doesn't mean I won't still share a virtual high-five with your filter sweeps.
And hey, let's be real, sometimes our jokes hit the mark like a killer bass drop, and other times they crash and burn like a bad oscillator. But life's too short to hold onto the virtual drama, so let's keep the vibes high and the notes flowing.
You know, I once tried to play a major chord on a minor scale and accidentally summoned a jazz-loving ghost! True story.
Keep your oscillators wacky and your envelopes envelope-y, and the only bones we're burying here are the ones in the groove
So, let's all chill, dial up those frequencies, and remember: if you take things too seriously, you might just end up as a MIDI skeleton in the closet. Stay groovy, my synth-loving friends!

[liquidsound]

I could insult and make fun also but that's not my style, plus I don't like bullying.

. . .

And vurt you're literally the poster child of kvr group think. You think you are funny and being sarcastic but you're actually not.

So... You're just talking out your other hole.

It seems to be your style after all.

no thats me AFter the fact of being ganged up on. when you get defensive you might get a bit upset and say some upset things. but tbh, those arent insults are they? they are merely reactions. but now we are going drastically off topic and into semantics..

Just load up a snippet of few seconds and point out where you perceive the problem.

That’s shouldn’t be difficult.

Just curious. Did you do a blind test yourself?
I did few times (with the help of my unwilling wife ) for different reasons and it works.

The clips themselves are literally just a few seconds. And since LFO8 is such a good sport he left them up all this time.

If you honestly can't tell B apart from A, that's cool but don't assume everyone can't.

I’m talking about making a blind test yourself in your set up. If your problem is subjective, and by far according to the responses you’re getting seems to be the case, you are going to be miserable with Vital. Get rid of it.
If it is objective you should be able to demonstrate it. If you can’t, then it’s subjective for lack of proof.

but for me to make such a blind test i would have to be as good as LFO8 into making two synths sound that identical. im not. so ill just refer to his test, (the one he did honestly). As they sound very very close to being identical yet I can hear (and others can aswell) the difference. What you want is literally just 2 or 3 pages away and to me that is objective and demonstrable. Theres no lack of proof since LFO8 did that already.

This is beyond repair. Good luck with your Imagination.
Poor Vital

[Masterofdisaster]

This is beyond repair. Good luck with your Imagination.
Poor Vital

imagination for you, clear audible difference for me. why is it so hard to accept?

[Monsieur_FyP]

imagination for you, clear audible difference for me. why is it so hard to accept?

Signed : Joan of Arc

[Masterofdisaster]

imagination for you, clear audible difference for me. why is it so hard to accept?

Signed : Joan of Arc

thats funny. but lets get down to it one last time.
LFO8 made a comparison a few pages back it is linked. and i thank him for doing so, sadly i was unaware of this at the beginning of this whole "thing". but since he has done it, why should i? a timewaste. his A/B is really well done, the synthesis part sound identical to me, there is only the "nasty high freq noise" left, in my ears. but it seems noone wants to listen to that, or dont seem to take it seriously? im not sure. dont you take LFO8 seriously anymore? you did when he played a trick on me.
so just listen to his test. the valid test, that is. now, ive said this like three times now so i wont continue on this any further from this point. if you cant hear B is different from A, then thats fine but dont assume noone can.

now, stop the jokes and the funny business please. That im some conspiracy theorist or whatever it is youre trying to say with your joanne d'arc joke. im not a witch that can hear things noone else can.

[Dirtgrain]

One swallow doesn't make a summer. Put up some samples to make your point.

[vurt]

Sigh.. All the people making fun of me cause I hear a difference it's so tiresome. And vurt you're literally the poster child of kvr group think. You think you are funny and being sarcastic but you're actually not. I could insult and make fun also but that's not my style, plus I don't like bullying. This is like a whole forum now vs me, and tbh I grow tired of it altogether.

psst i dont even use vital
im not against you in any way.
if you dont like a synth, i personally, dont care, theres plenty out there to like and dislike.

im sorry you took my comment as an insult, was just as you say yourself, a joke, to try to lighten the mood as i dont like folk arguing here.
do i always get it right, no, as here, it was taken as malicious.

it may feel like an attack now, but please, just relax and have fun here, dont take others so serious (you might turn in to bones )

i appreciate that alot. thats nice of you to say. but unfortunately i did feel a bit ganged up on, and when that happens, especially over the internet you tend to put your thorns up and that to me is just human nature.

understandable.

as someone on the outside of the discussion, my hope was to make both sides think "maybe weve said enough now..." i didn't intend to take a side as i said, really don't care what other people use or don't use.

and now im going to leave the thread, and hope everyone can realise, we have our own tastes, not all synths will suit us all.
and it's great that there are so many choices, we can all find something cool

[pdxindy]

imagination for you, clear audible difference for me. why is it so hard to accept?

Because you avoid posting an audio demo of Vital with the alleged high end nastiness. If it is as clear and obvious as you say, then it must be easy to demonstrate. You haven't even stated any sort of description of what you hear, when you hear it, an issue with a certain preset, steps to reproduce, etc.

Then you said that you are unable to match the sound of two synths, which is pretty easy. This leads me to think you are inexperienced. So your claim might just be user error or lack of understanding on your part.

Anyway, you are free of course to think what you like. But you haven't given anything to indicate that your assertion is anything other than imaginary or the misunderstanding of a beginner. You make a bold claim and offer zero evidence to back it up... of course most people aren't going to accept it.

[FrogsInPants]

i appreciate that alot. thats nice of you to say. but unfortunately i did feel a bit ganged up on, and when that happens, especially over the internet you tend to put your thorns up and that to me is just human nature.

Indeed. So maybe this will get through: People aren't bullying you simply for challenging their groupthink. Several people disagreed with you, but things didn't turn nasty towards you until after you started started casting aspersions on the thread participants. You didn't only say that you thought Vital sounded bad, but that people can't hear it because they are shockingly oblivious, or that they don't care about sound quality, or that they are only saying it sounds good in order to agree with the opinion of the echo chamber. That was before anyone insulted or tricked you. It's hardly surprising that some people responded to you with hostility. They put their thorns up, as you say. And since you've continued to be belligerent since then, it's hardly surprising that people have continued to be hostile and mocking back at you. You are not just an innocent victim. You have been actively contributing to the same hostile tone that you are complaining about.

You tried Vital out, didn't like the sounds you were getting, and concluded that it has a bad sound. Fair enough. You're not obliged to like it. Nor are you obliged to keep working with it to figure out how to make it sound better to you. Something about the workflow and the sounds you're getting out of it don't suit you. I'm less concerned with having you demonstrate that you can hear a difference between Vital and any other synth, and more curious what the problem actually is for you. After however many pages of complaining about Vital's uniquely bad tone, all you've really said about the nature of it is that there's some kind of grunge in the 12k-20k range that is most audible with supersaws. That's not all that much to go on, so if you want a more productive conversation maybe you could clarify what you're talking about.

I know you say there's a distinct difference between Vital and other synths, but as far as I can tell, you're just describing supersaws. Personally, I find their high end harsh and noisy in general, not just in Vital. I think this is related to the higher harmonics spreading to the point where they blend into one another. One thing that helps is to run them through a key tracked comb filter, which cleans up the spectrum without completely destroying the movement you get from the unison. I find Vital's flange+ filters work well for this. Try it if you like, or don't. You do you. But there's one answer to your initial question of how people deal with bad sounds in Vital. In general, it's the same as with any other synth: by finding ways to mitigate the things that sound bad to them.

Another answer, of course, is that there is a wide space of sounds that Vital is capable of. Some of them are good, some of them suck, and people will not always agree which are which. This is expected, with any synth.

[elassi]

Trying to inject a good mood into this "nasty and harsh" discussion I'll leave a joke which is widely known in my country (disclaimer: Pardon my broken English, please).

"A car driver listens to a road message warning 'Attention: Wrong-way driver on your highway.' "What?", the car driver reacts, "It's not one. There are literally hundreds!!"

[planetearth]

I could insult and make fun also but that's not my style, plus I don't like bullying.

. . .

And vurt you're literally the poster child of kvr group think. You think you are funny and being sarcastic but you're actually not.

So... You're just talking out your other hole.

It seems to be your style after all.

no thats me AFter the fact of being ganged up on. when you get defensive you might get a bit upset and say some upset things. but tbh, those arent insults are they? they are merely reactions. but now we are going drastically off topic and into semantics..

Just load up a snippet of few seconds and point out where you perceive the problem.

That’s shouldn’t be difficult.

Just curious. Did you do a blind test yourself?
I did few times (with the help of my unwilling wife ) for different reasons and it works.

The clips themselves are literally just a few seconds. And since LFO8 is such a good sport he left them up all this time.

If you honestly can't tell B apart from A, that's cool but don't assume everyone can't.

I’m talking about making a blind test yourself in your set up. If your problem is subjective, and by far according to the responses you’re getting seems to be the case, you are going to be miserable with Vital. Get rid of it.
If it is objective you should be able to demonstrate it. If you can’t, then it’s subjective for lack of proof.

but for me to make such a blind test i would have to be as good as LFO8 into making two synths sound that identical. im not. so ill just refer to his test, (the one he did honestly). As they sound very very close to being identical yet I can hear (and others can aswell) the difference. What you want is literally just 2 or 3 pages away and to me that is objective and demonstrable. Theres no lack of proof since LFO8 did that already.

I don't have a horse in this race. I never found Vital all that interesting. And now that it appears to be abandonware, I don't feel I'm missing anything.

But just for clarification @Masterofdisaster, no one is asking you to make a comparison of sounds between two synths, as you claim. They're just asking you to post a few seconds of a few patches where you hear the sound. If it's obvious, others should hear something, and/or be able to see it on a 'scope.

But honestly, if no one else hears it (or, at this point, will admit to hearing it, "pride" being what it is), who cares? It's an abandoned synth. One of hundreds of wavetable synths. One of thousands of abandoned ones. Life is too short to argue about it—especially if you're not going to use it anyway.

I believe you think you can hear something. That's good enough for me. (Maybe it's the synth. Maybe it's some intermodulation distortion in your monitoring system. Maybe it's a setting on your audio interface.) Some people feel strongly that you don't hear anything. So what? If there are issues with the synth (and in the last 218 pages, more than a few have been mentioned), it appears they won't be addressed any time soon, if ever. If there aren't problems with the synth, what does it matter? You just don't particularly like the sound. Many of us didn't. And many did. Life goes on. Focus your energy on what you enjoy, and go have fun.

Steve

[HcDoom]

Is it true that Vital is abandonware? How did you guys come up with that conclusion? Thank you

[liquidsound]

Is it true that Vital is abandonware? How did you guys come up with that conclusion? Thank you

Maybe they heard something that’s not there….