Lexicon PCM Random Hall Alternatives ?

[jamcat]

The 224 and the 480 are very different. The 224 is going to to give you that early ‘80s artificial chorused reverb. It’s very much an “effect.”

The 480 gives you the infamous Lexicon Random Hall, which is much more realistic and transparent. The PCM 90/91 Random Hall is derived from the 480.

Don’t forget that UAD also has the 224. It’s “official” Lexicon, native (Spark), and uses iLok (Cloud). The UAD 480 is still DSP only at the moment, but the 224 is not.

[audiouser720]

The 224 and the 480 are very different. The 224 is going to to give you that early ‘80s artificial chorused reverb. It’s very much an “effect.”

The 480 gives you the infamous Lexicon Random Hall, which is much more realistic and transparent. The PCM 90/91 Random Hall is derived from the 480.

Don’t forget that UAD also has the 224. It’s “official” Lexicon, native (Spark), and uses iLok (Cloud). The UAD 480 is still DSP only at the moment, but the 224 is not.

You described it well. The thing is a like character reverbs. I do synth music so I find them more gratifying.

The LX480 is very useful, but not particularly inspiring. I also have some AMS RMX impulse responses which I find more interesting on synths. I wonder if the 480l got its reputation because of vocal music.

[martinjuenke]

The 224 and the 480 are very different. The 224 is going to to give you that early ‘80s artificial chorused reverb. It’s very much an “effect.”

The 480 gives you the infamous Lexicon Random Hall, which is much more realistic and transparent. The PCM 90/91 Random Hall is derived from the 480.

Don’t forget that UAD also has the 224. It’s “official” Lexicon, native (Spark), and uses iLok (Cloud). The UAD 480 is still DSP only at the moment, but the 224 is not.

You described it well. The thing is a like character reverbs. I do synth music so I find them more gratifying.

The LX480 is very useful, but not particularly inspiring. I also have some AMS RMX impulse responses which I find more interesting on synths. I wonder if the 480l got its reputation because of vocal music.

Check out the different Wave Alchemy reverbs. I like them.

[jamcat]

I think it’s weird that they use convolution for 100% algorithmic digital reverbs.

[btfnk]

As long as a reverb doesn't have modulation, capturing it with an IR is a totally legit way to emulate it ITB. A well captured high quality IR will almost always be significantly closer to the original than even a painstakingly expensive and cpu heavy algorithmic emulation.

Unfortunately there are lots of poorly captured low quality IRs which tend to give all IRs a bad name.

[audiouser720]

Please point us to the best captured IRs

[comfortablynick]

As long as a reverb doesn't have modulation, capturing it with an IR is a totally legit way to emulate it ITB. A well captured high quality IR will almost always be significantly closer to the original than even a painstakingly expensive and cpu heavy algorithmic emulation.

Unfortunately there are lots of poorly captured low quality IRs which tend to give all IRs a bad name.

Which digital reverbs don't have any modulation? (I'm no expert on reverb design, but it seems like most do.)

I generally prefer algorithmic 'verbs compared to IRs, especially the products by Relab and Valhalla. Maybe a happy medium is the Fusion IR tech that Liquidsonics uses which can capture the modulation.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Which digital reverbs don't have any modulation? (I'm no expert on reverb design, but it seems like most do.)

The Alsesis designs (MIDIVerb and the like) didn't from what I understand. If not all, then at least for most algorithms.

Wave Alchemy uses something similar to Fusion IR's to add modulation to the verbs. I don't own any of their verbs so I don't know for sure how good they work, but people seem to like them.

[btfnk]

Most early hardware reverbs didn't have modulation. As far as I know when they did start to add it, it was first done as a simple chorus on the wet signal at the end of the chain. Many of the most famous reverb sounds don't have any modulation on them (early iterations of Lexicon Rich Chamber, Rich Plate, etc).

[keyman_sam]

Does rehab lx480 essential have the rhall algo?

[martinjuenke]

Does rehab lx480 essential have the rhall algo?

No.

[martinjuenke]

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[bmanic]

I too have been very careful about using IR based reverbs for the past 20 years, simply due to many of them not really "sitting correctly" within a mix, mainly EDM/synth based stuff (IR impulses taken by myself on location for choirs and various string/orchestral ensembles have been true life savers sometimes!). But lately I've purchased a few IR based reverbs, IK Multimedia's Sunset Studio plugin and now Wave Alchemy's Radiance (.. and got Dawn, the 250 emulation for free with it). Both are absolutely superb quality and totally put my mind at ease regarding IR reverbs, though both companies seem to suggest they have some kind of hybrid solution so maybe that's why they work so well?

Anyhow, as for the Lexicon 480/random hall, probably the safest bet is checking out Relab's version as many have suggested here.

I do wish Lexicon did update their plugins to the latest OS and M1 ARM system but I really don't think that will ever happen. Aren't they still owned by that toy company Hasbro?

[keyman_sam]

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Thanks but I thought I read somewhere that essential contained the Random Hall algorithm but not labelled as such. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

[simon.a.billington]

Arturia have a new-ish offering, Rev LX-24. Unfortunately you just missed a sale. It might be a while before another one rears its head.

No, the sale is on until 15 August.

I have LX480 and debating whether or not I need Rev LX-24. I have an OTO BAM and I think Rev LX-24 is closer to that sound.

Perhaps it's best for you to not get the Rev LX-24 in that case. There's not too much point in getting another plugin that does essentially the same thing. Well, not unless you want to exploit the subtle tonal differences. Probably better to save the money in this instance.