UAD still worth it?

[El°HYM]

Incredible feature and also replicating what actually happened inside the Console and Multitrack. Hopefully other DAW - Developers will implement something similar in the future, but not sure either as I often just receive Big ???'s about this Topic. I believe it plays a significant part in what people are referring to as Depth & Glue.

nah... personally I don't think so... but Sknote Strip has it so it doesn't cost you much to try it out yourself in your mixes and make up your own mind about it.

Looks quite interesting, yet seems pretty old too?

[jens]

This current version is from 2017, I think - latest Win update is from January this year...

[El°HYM]

This current version is from 2017, I think - latest Win update is from January this year...

Where does it say this?

Last update: 17 Jan 2017: Mac versions – 24 Dec 2016: Win versions.

Well doesnt seem to be available anymore in their shop anyway.

https://www.sknoteaudio.com/SKnote_shop

[jamcat]

Drums weren't regularly recorded with the Glyn Johns method or as a stereo (or mono) submix since 24-track recording went into wide use, which was by the mid '70s.

lol

You are confusing things big time here... the Glyn Johns method is a miking technique that uses only 2-4 mics for a full drum-kit - this has absolutely nothing to do with miking a drum-kit with any number of microphones which then get mixed down to 2-6 channels for recording.

When they had 24tracks they weren't very likely to waste ten of them just for the drums.

You have to keep in mind that these 24tracks had to store everything - all the ideas they tried out but ended up not using. (of course they'd also sometimes erase these things, but of course not if they weren't sure they might still need them).

You talk to me as if I don’t know what the Glyn Johns method is despite me being the one who mentioned it. You further beclown yourself by incorrectly describing it. It is a 3 mic technique where 2 mics act as rudimentary overheads, both pointed at the snare from an equal distance from it, and a third mic on the kick. Everyone learns this technique in audio engineering class.

If you are going to try to act smug and superior, first comprehend what was actually said by the person that you are condescending to without leaning on all sorts of incorrect assumptions. Then, try to be correct in your own reply.

[jens]

This current version is from 2017, I think - latest Win update is from January this year...

Where does it say this?

In the download-section of the user-area. ("03 Jan 2023: Win 64bit update (fix) ")

Well doesnt seem to be available anymore in their shop anyway.

https://www.sknoteaudio.com/SKnote_shop

It is...

[El°HYM]

This current version is from 2017, I think - latest Win update is from January this year...

Where does it say this?

In the download-section of the user-area. ("03 Jan 2023: Win 64bit update (fix) ")

Well doesnt seem to be available anymore in their shop anyway.

https://www.sknoteaudio.com/SKnote_shop

It is...

Ok, I dont have an Account there and the 'Buy' - Link leads to a Shop without that Product. Also no Demo - Version available as it seems?

[jens]

Drums weren't regularly recorded with the Glyn Johns method or as a stereo (or mono) submix since 24-track recording went into wide use, which was by the mid '70s.

lol

You are confusing things big time here... the Glyn Johns method is a miking technique that uses only 2-4 mics for a full drum-kit - this has absolutely nothing to do with miking a drum-kit with any number of microphones which then get mixed down to 2-6 channels for recording.

When they had 24tracks they weren't very likely to waste ten of them just for the drums.

You have to keep in mind that these 24tracks had to store everything - all the ideas they tried out but ended up not using. (of course they'd also sometimes erase these things, but of course not if they weren't sure they might still need them).

You talk to me as if I don’t know what the Glyn Johns method is despite me being the one who mentioned it.

When you bring it up within a context where it actually makes zero sense I indeed have to assume that you have difficulties tellling your left hand from your right one (full disclosure: that has been my impression of you for quite some time). Randomly dropping unrelated terms is really not doing your reputation any favour.

You further beclown yourself by incorrectly describing it. It is a 3 mic technique where 2 mics act as rudimentary overheads, both pointed at the snare from an equal distance from it, and a third mic on the kick. Everyone learns this technique in audio engineering class.

Yeah, not quite... you know... bits... which you can't seem to quite make a whole of...

I wrote 2-4 because

a) the kick-drum mic is sometimes done away with
b) they sometimes use an additional snare mic, because

The two main mics aren't really pointed at the snare, rather

one which is basically situated directly above the snare is high enough to capture the whole kit
and the other is above the floor-toms and meant to capture both the snare and the hi-hat.
That's the gist of it. But none of us needs to actually know that and it has absolutely nothing
to do with the discussion at hand.*

I don't because I have an electronic-kit (which I never really use anyway) and you most probably haven't ever been let near a drum-kit anyway...

If you are going to try to act smug and superior, first comprehend what was actually said by the person that you are condescending to without leaning on all sorts of incorrect assumptions. Then, try to be correct in your own reply.

*That's the point: you brought it up here even though it made zero sense as it has nothing to do with what we were discussing. And even though I mentioned the obvious already, instead of hanging your head in shame (as you should) you keep on bragging like a demented twelve year old about your imagined expertise - as you do.

[jens]

Ok, I dont have an Account there and the 'Buy' - Link leads to a Shop without that Product. Also no Demo - Version available as it seems?

Nope, no demo as of now - instead they promise a no-questions-asked refund during [iIrc) a two week period after purchase, but good luck getting that through.

Nontheless if you want to rather effortlesslly (and also without spending a lot) experiment with console-style crosstalk, that's the way to go.

[jamcat]

It made perfect sense from the standpoint that you’re talking about recording drums with only 2 tape tracks. That wasn’t regularly done since the early ‘70s at the latest, and drum tracks consisting of only stereo tracks were usually recorded that way or with just room mics.

You’re talking about the drum recording techniques of “the bulk of the analog decades” but conveniently ignoring the decades when analogue recording was fully mature. Since you’re arbitrarily limiting it to early days, you might as well be talking about Glyn Johns or Phil Spector’s one-mic mono drum recording because it’s just as relevant to the actual conversation taking place.

[vurt]

who would you say your material fits with? different techniques make sense with different genres, eg we would never mic the kit the same for a fear factory technical death type band (maximum spot mics) as a more southern rock type sound where we would use a basic set up.

and many between the two, depending on the overall sound of the band.

[jamcat]

who would you say your material fits with? different techniques make sense with different genres, eg we would never mic the kit the same for a fear factory technical death type band (maximum spot mics) as a more southern rock type sound where we would use a basic set up.

and many between the two, depending on the overall sound of the band.

My favorite producers are Mike Hedges, Steve Lillywhite, David M. Allen, Martin Birch.

[vurt]

so somewhere in the middle of those two extremes as far as drum set up. a loose overall sound but with a couple of "pop" (as in pop out of the sound!) drums like a sharp snare crack or toms.

[jens]

It made perfect sense from the standpoint that you’re talking about recording drums with only 2 tape tracks. That wasn’t regularly done since the early ‘70s at the latest, and drum tracks consisting of only stereo tracks were usually recorded that way or with just room mics.

You still don't get it at all, do you?




number of mics used ≠ number of tracks recorded to

[vurt]

you're both wrong anyway
i have it on good authority, from the first post on this page, that sgt peppers was recorded on a daw
so all this analog nonsense is bullshit.

viewtopic.php?t=600307&start=15#top

[jamcat]

You still don't get it at all, do you?

number of mics used ≠ number of tracks recorded to

Once again I didn’t say what you’re claiming. But if you were actually honest about that you wouldn’t have your straw men to toss around.

No one was using only stereo tape tracks for drums in the latter decades of the analogue era. You yourself said drums were typically recorded to 6 tracks since the ‘70s, but then admit you only send a stereo drum mix through tape emulation. But I’m the one doing it wrong, you say.

I may not know my left hand from my right, but I’m not the one sending overheads to the same tape track as kick and snare, despite overheads needing lots of headroom while kick and snare are best slammed to tape.