Joy of Joy - List of Lists - What are Your Favourites?

[funky lime]

i kind of dread set lists, personally. to me it's like scheduling sex positions in advance. by the time we finish the first song, i'm already second-guessing the plan. having a list of songs to play is nice, but i've pissed off bandmates plenty by calling audibles throughout a show

Set lists are shit. It's work, hence boring, to do the same set every night. To do a whole tour where every night is the same shit, no thanks; leave that for those that perform to tape.
It makes it fun for the band and fans when you change up the song order.
Frank Zappa mentioned in an interview he never plays the same solo twice.
So what you hear on record you won't hear live. Amen to that.

if you play the same set every night, that's a problem with laziness, not with set lists.

[BONES]

It makes it fun for the band and fans when you change up the song order.

Fun? How is that relevant to anything? We don't get up on stage just to play songs, a good set ebbs and flows, just as a good album does, and it is really important to us that we do our best to achieve that with every performance. We've never played the same set twice. That would be boring because I'd only get to make one list.

Frank Zappa mentioned in an interview he never plays the same solo twice.
So what you hear on record you won't hear live.

Solos are for wankers anyway. Best avoided entirely.

[PatchAdamz]

It makes it fun for the band and fans when you change up the song order.

Frank Zappa mentioned in an interview he never plays the same solo twice.
So what you hear on record you won't hear live.

Solos are for wankers anyway. Best avoided entirely.

Well so much for the entire history of pop, rock, funk, R&B, etc.....
You set us straight in one simple thread......

[BONES]

Yep, the vast majority of it is absolute krap, no doubt (also krap). It's so f**king cliche, I think we've got one song on our last 4 albums with something you might call a solo in it. And for someone to say "oh, I never play the same solo twice, maaaaan" is so f**king pretentious it makes me wanna puke.

[funky lime]

Hah, as someone who enjoys playing solos, i'm inclined to agree ... probably 95% of them that I've heard (or 100% of my own) are trite and/or masturbatory, and tend to overstay their welcome.

Zappa did a lot of things I like, but I find his crunchy note-salad solos (like those of many others) generally forgettable.

[donkey tugger]

Guitar widdle ok in very small doses. No-one wants to hear a sinthesiser solo.

[funky lime]

screw that, i only play synth solos these days. guitar is for sexuals

[vurt]

Hah, as someone who enjoys playing solos, i'm inclined to agree ... probably 95% of them that I've heard (or 100% of my own) are trite and/or masturbatory, and tend to overstay their welcome.

it's the only public masturbation you can't be arrested for.

[funky lime]

Hah, as someone who enjoys playing solos, i'm inclined to agree ... probably 95% of them that I've heard (or 100% of my own) are trite and/or masturbatory, and tend to overstay their welcome.

it's the only public masturbation you can't be arrested for.

is that a challenge?

[harryupbabble]

you don't have to be solo to masturbate?
haven't iggy pop shreded his dangler on stage?

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if you play the same set every night, that's a problem with laziness, not with set lists.

Oops lemmie fix that:
"Set lists are shit *and* it's work , hence boring, to do the same set every night."

I don't consider, for example, Madonna "lazy" - far from it in fact - even though she does play the same set every night. It's to accomodate the visual performance akin to a Broadway play.
Would I join Madonna's band? Definitely. Would I get bored doing the same set night after night after night? Definitely.
I prefer the DJ method where songs played at a given time is determined by the mood of the audience.
Get a nice sized catalog of songs, learn them all, then be ready to go "On the Fly" on stage.
Like an American Football coach calling out plays, call out the song as you go.

Fun? How is that relevant to anything?

We've never played the same set twice. That would be boring

Totally understand. But that would mean not playing the same set twice would be fun. How is fun relevant to anything?

a good set ebbs and flows, just as a good album does

I could care less about albums ebbing and flowing. Give me songs. If an album's got 10 songs you better give me a solid 8 songs at the least.
Noel Gallagher said it best - No fillers.
No B-sides that cannot be A -sides. Did he achieve that? IMO no, but he was really damn close.
It's the one band from the 90s lot who managed to pack in arenas in the States and that was with solid songs standing on their own as opposed to making albums "ebb and flow". I'll go to the beach when I want ebb and flow.

Solos are for wankers

SHHHH -keep it down! Lots of wankers roam the KVR grounds; don't wake them up.
If you want a good example of wankery, your obsession with song lists for live shows is one.
Akin to a self indulgent finger tappin G soloist going for 10 minutes, you could care less if the crowd gets bored or shows no interest in your overly crafted two hour (or however long) live set.

for someone to say "oh, I never play the same solo twice, maaaaan" is so f**king pretentious it makes me wanna puke

You see in others what you see in yourself. Point the finger at someone and you got three pointed back at you. Judging others by....ok I'll shut up (yes you can quote that and say "please do").

For the record (33 1/3), Frank didn't say that to impress anyone or seem significant. He mentioned it because he was asked a question on playing live. He mentioned it's more exciting playing something different every night hence the example of different solos every show.

[lotus2035]

Shopping lists, lots of yummy food on there.

[Bombadil]

Enemies list.

[vurt]

Enemies list.

during a discussion with batman and superman, wonder woman was asked "why do we never have to deal with your nemeses escaping and trying to destroy the justice league?"

"i dont leave them alive".

[Bombadil]

I've managed to make a few in my life. Whacanyado?