Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13? [Update: It's here C13 is released!]

[chk071]

Oh, and, by the way, we still don't know for sure if they will actually drop VST2 in Cubase 13 completely.

[D-Fusion]

Exactly.

As I mentioned above, though, I can assure you that it's just the 1% in the bubble which will not upgrade for that reason. So, don't hold your breath. You might suffocate.

I know.
People seems to like to be pushed around by these Software companies these days and let them do what they want while they throw money at them.

[chk071]

Exactly.

As I mentioned above, though, I can assure you that it's just the 1% in the bubble which will not upgrade for that reason. So, don't hold your breath. You might suffocate.

I know.
People seems to like to be pushed around by these Software companies these days and let them do what they want while they throw money at them.

... or they simply put their focus on other things, when all their software was ported to the newer format anyway.

The least of my plugins don't come with a VST3 version by now. Merely a handful, I think. And, those are plugins I can easily live without.

The only ones I really mind are arpeggiator plugins, which don't have their full functionality in the VST3 version. And, Steinberg doesn't really have a plan for replacing those either, as the guy who developed VST3 always argued that the DAW has to provide MIDI plugins, and, most DAW's arpeggiators are very poor in terms of features, compared to some of the better arpeggiator plugins out there.

[Synthman2000]

Yeah, not only do many plugins host other plugins, but, some plugins are also only wrapped versions of other formats as well. So, I don't think there's a problem with doing wrappers.

The question is, who needs them? I would guess that 99% of the people out there don't care if Steinberg drops VST2, because all their plugins come in VST3 versions as well by now. The problems are always only in the bubble. The KVR Audio bubble, or, generally, in more tech savvy forum bubbles. Steinberg will surely know whether or not they can drop VST2, and still sell their DAW's. It's naive to believe that they didn't consider this.

There are a few terrible companies (that's all you can really call them these days) who have expensive plug ins that have not made them VST3 compliant. I am boycotting those companies who are still in business from this moment onwards. It is especially annoying when they make some of their cheap line VST3 but not their more expensive/exclusive plug ins.

Be very aware of any new purchase you make cause VST3 is not a given.

[VitaminD]

This one is a no show today. I guess we'll just have to sit tight and see what happens in the next couple of months.

[kritikon]

Maybe they'll add a new instrument this time. They removed a few old ones last time. Wavetable perhaps

They keep adding effects which are popular and exist with other brands.
Logic clip distortion - distroyer
Cableguys shaperbox - fx modulator
Ott - squasher
Pro q - frequency
I'm sure there are others..
Maybe this time it'll be some kind of spectral processor?

I'm happy with 12 and use it every day. But can't usually hold out long after a new update

I wouldn't hold my breath re synths. Cubase has been the worst IMO, though a very capable set of FX. I don't think I've ever seriously used any Cubase synths except Halion and Groove Agent (both very good). That granular thing in current versions is utterly useless imo, very powerful but pointless. Not one single provided sound does anything for me, and I'm not going to spend time learning a synth that sounds so bad at first and second listen. Retrologue is OK but one of blandest VAs around with no filter character at all. The synths before this lot were even worse (so bad I expunged them from memory) they seemed to do a big bright twang and that was it...was it Spectre or somesuch? Strange how GA and Halion are so good and the others so bad. Hope they don't add wavetable - I don't like the character of any I've heard. It's a trend that can happily die IMO.

But yeah their FX get better and better. If I had to use only Cubase FX I could be happy with it.

[felis]

The new Montage is supposed to come out next month. Maybe some juggling going on with intro dates for that and Cubase.

[DrGonzo]

Hope they don't add wavetable - I don't like the character of any I've heard. It's a trend that can happily die IMO.

I've been experimenting with making my own wavetables for the last year and I must say the edgy wubwub-wakka-wakka-trend have given wavetables a really bad rep. I have never been a fan of wavetable synths until I started making my own.

[touchedbymusic]

Strange how GA and Halion are so good and the others so bad. Hope they don't add wavetable - I don't like the character of any I've heard. It's a trend that can happily die IMO.

HALion has a wavetable engine since v6...

[kritikon]

Haven't seen wavetables in Cubase Halion. I might just have missed it, I suppose. Mostly I tweak presets in it rather than create from scratch, so it follows that I wouldn't play with presets I don't like the sound of...which would be wavetable ones self-fulfilling prophecy, I guess.

I liked Vital initially, especially the FX such as formant filters. But take off the FX and it leaves me cold mostly - some good sounds but a really small sweetspot. I remember decades ago I had the chance to get my hands on an original PPG...didn't like it within 5 minutes, sadly.

[chk071]

Today is the 14th. Time to release Cubase 14?

[dionenoid]

I guess it's mainly a question of preserving compatibility with old projects. In my opinion, that's what scares the most. Because the truth is that not every developer was able to fulfill a clean transition to VST3. In many cases, VST IDs were changed from VST2 to VST3, so you simply can't remove the VST2s and hope that the corresponding VST3 versions are going to replace them cleanly.
What I mean is that the problem is more complex than simply some random guys wanting to continue using one or two VST2 plugins that don't have a VST3 version.

Steinberg always allows users to have several versions installed next to each other. So simply keep your C12 or any older version installed and you can load your old projects.

And when migrating to a new system you can always install older versions. Buying C13 means that you also own previous versions.

But yeah, unfortunately many devs made a mess of the transition. But this ain't new ; try loading projects that are 10 years old and many vst2 plugins won't load or recall properly either, and that's just because of minor updates and/or upgrades that will break backwards capability. So in order to maintain full backwards capability you also need to have all older versions of plugins installed, which is completely impossible in most cases.

The best solution to this problem will always be to commit to audio. And luckily, Cubase makes it very easy for us users to do this.

[Zikax]

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[Sahul]

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Nice, good catch!

WHAT’S NEW IN 13?

CHANNEL TAB
Mix on the go
The new channel tab in the Project window gives you direct access to your mix, without leaving the arrangement.
The new design means you can intuitively find what you need, letting you mix on the go in a compact, per channel view.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

MIXCONSOLE
Slick, streamlined, focused
The MixConsole has been given a fresh overhaul with a slick, streamlined design to help you focus on your mix.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

RANGE TOOL
Increase your range
The Range tool is one of the most powerful tools in Cubase and it’s now available in the Key Editor as well as the Drum Editor.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

EDITOR
A new editor experience
Edit multiple parts from within the Key Editor and Drum Editor, switch between tracks with the Visibility tab and maintain an overview with the new Track display
(PRO)

VOCAL PRODUCTION
The ultimate vocal chain
Vocal processing is an art of its own, taking a lot of expertise and experience to master the different processing steps. The VocalChain plug-in provides dedicated modules for each step, helping to turn your recordings into professional-sounding vocal tracks.
(PRO-ARTIST)

CHORD PADS
Progress your progressions
The new chord pads make it easy to find creative chord progressions. New presets give you excellent starting points and enhanced functions make it even simpler to create unique music.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

ORCHESTRAL LIBRARΥ
Sketch out your scores
Iconica Sketch allows everyone from beginners to professional composers to create full orchestral scores of the highest quality with 140 articulations for 34 instruments in a compact 5GB library.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

SAMPLER TRACK
Τweak it
The Sampler Track is even more creative, thanks to stunning new Spectral Warp modes for extreme manipulation and powerful envelope creation.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

VOCODER
Τhe return of a legend
Create classic robotic vocals or add analog flavor to your instruments with the legendary Steinberg Vocoder. Use up to 24 filter bands, sidechain input, and enjoy in-depth control over the sound.
(PRO-ARTIST)

COMPRESSION
Compression with character
Black Valve is a classic tube compressor with lots of warmth and character. Its sonic detail makes this tribute to one of the most iconic studio processors really stand out
(PRO)

EQUALIZER
Add class with frequency
Two new equalizers, the EQ-P1A and the EQ-M5, add a classy sound to your productions.
(PRO-ARTIST)

COMPRESSION
Be a vocal specialist
The new VoxComp is a compressor specifically designed for vocals, gently taming your recordings without compromising clarity, transients, or expression.
(PRO)

SAMPLE PACKS
Creative starting points
Be inspired by five exclusive new sample packs by Grammy-winning producer Beat Butcha, creative mastermind Sharooz, and acclaimed sample boutiques 91Vocals and Touch Loops.
(PRO-ARTIST-ELEMENTS)

STEP & MIDI INPUT - The Step and MIDI Input features are now more even powerful. Modify note lengths on the fly and add voices on top with the new polyphonic note input feature.

KEY EDITOR - MIDI CCs can now be recorded in simplified ramps to make it quicker and easier for editing the controller events afterward

TRACK VERSIONS FOR VIDEO - Working with new video edits is now more convenient with new Track Versions for the VideoTrack.

START MODES - Do you want to start from the cycle marker, the last position or your selection? Configure where playback starts to precisely match your workflow.

TRANSPORT BAR - Easily adjust the project tempo to the beat with the new Tap Tempo feature in the Transport Bar.

CHANNEL CONFIGURATION - Change the channel type from mono to stereo or vice versa with just one click

VERTICAL ZOOM - Zoom in and out vertically with the mouse wheel and decide whether you want to zoom to transport or selection.

KEY COMMANDS - The new Key Command dialog makes managing your short cuts quick and easy. Find commands easier with the dynamic filter and try new macros on the fly.

IMPORT TRACKS FROM PROJECTS - There are several new options that give you more flexibility and control when importing tracks, events, and time ranges.

MIDI PLUG-INS - MIDI plug-ins have had a design overhaul with a fresh new look

MIDI 2.0 - With support for high resolution velocity, CC, aftertouch, pitch bend, and poly pressure data, Cubase 13 is ready for the widespread adoption of MIDI 2.0.

ROUTING - You can now set instrument tracks/racks/sampler return channels as inputs for audio tracks, as well as FX and group channels.

DEMO PROJECTS - Explore three new excellent showcase demo projects, including productions by Austin Hull and Azodi.

WINDOW MANAGEMENT - Cubase now features Windows-compliant multi-window handling.

VIDEO ENGINE - The Windows video engine has been improved, including GPU hardware decoding for H264 and better overall performance

[Ou_Tis]

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"MIDI CCs can now be recorded in simplified ramps to make it quicker and easier for editing the controller events afterward"

"MIDI 2.0 - With support for high resolution velocity, CC, aftertouch, pitch bend, and poly pressure data, Cubase 13 is ready for the widespread adoption of MIDI 2.0."

Wonder if it will be able to display polyphonic MPE pitch bend in the key editor---the current system (having to click on the note to see Note Expression, which then doesn't display it in semitones) is barely usable garbage. They should implement it as in Bitwig, with the ability to superimpose the pitch bend curve on the note in % of a semitone.

I wish they wouldn't bother adding mediocre new mixing plugins. They're just crap that wastes disk space.