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SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:48 am

EvilDragon wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:38 pm @mabian: Could you please edit the thread title appropriately, just so we don't spread confusion any further?

This is really not a problem as opening post implies it would be.

Thanks!

The updates have stopped my libraries working in K6 and this is confirmed, the thread title is correct, I. An no longer old Noire etc in my full version of K6.

nirm123 · Post by **nirm123** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:29 am

Play Series Libraries Noire will work on K7 player, they don't require full version of K6 anyhow.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:40 am

nirm123 wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:29 am Play Series Libraries Noire will work on K7 player, they don't require full version of K6 anyhow.

I don’t want to use a ‘player’ I own the full version of K6 and I have a lot of multi patches and edited patches…this isn’t right.

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:43 am

EvilDragon wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:38 pm @mabian: Could you please edit the thread title appropriately, just so we don't spread confusion any further?

This is really not a problem as opening post implies it would be.

Thanks!

mabian wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:16 am @EvilDragon I think the thread title is still correct because it states a fact. The problem which has proven not to be there is the ability to load old projects with the libraries loaded in k6. But the libraries do require kontakt 7.6+, or the player with the same version, to be opened in New projects now...

Yes please keep this thread title - I would be happy if I would have read such a warning 24 hours earlier.
The title - NI has abandon all Kontakt versions older than 7.6 wouldn’t be right. Because you need older versions like in my case 4, 5 and 6 installed, to open old projects.
The title should warn you - that you won’t be able to open most of your Komplete 13 ultimate / CE libraries in Kontakt 6 and older versions, because they have a new idea with their keyboard, but there is Kontakt 7 player for FREE

Which real advantage has this mk3 keyboard over mk2 Serie to destroy their old userbase and compatibility- do you only look for new customers? Instead of make old customers sad ?

3 years ago I was able to open all KORE 2 soundsets and edit every preset. Since native access 2 - older versions of massive, fm8, absynth and guitar rig don’t get activated with Native Access 2 anymore, so I had to burry my Full Expanded kore 2 - with every expansions, because you can’t edit in demo mode anymore. Now you can burry your whole NKS system, because the Kontakt 7 engine hangs on loading time, if you have to much plugins. That’s a scary development and NI is more worse than Apple - to break backwards compatibility and to range out old products. On Apple at least the new products work as expected.
It all started with my Maschine 1.0 software - which was used on many projects. Since a modification for the Maschine 2 software. Maschine 1 software wasn’t able to load old updated Maschine 1 expansions.
If you have used expansions in old daw projects there was a work around, to switch to Maschine 2 and open the preset of the old expansion. Also a real workflow Killer, if you have used more than one instance of Maschine 1 in a project.
The same with battery 4 - if you have changed your library folder because Komplete CE expanded over one terabyte - than battery asks you every time for the library folder, instead of looking first into the new native access linked library path folder. But when you point to your new folder and save the daw projects, battery 4 is still asking you for the path every time you open the daw project again. So you also have to open a new instance of battery, where you can open the same preset. That’s no thinking forward - it’s a development with no responsibility. Is there such a baby boom that they don’t need loyal customers???
It’s like the same development on Izotope and plugin Alliance too. Make a new major release of ozone or neutron every year - release a new PA plugin every month - but never look back - generate sales instead of improvement

wvshpr · Post by **wvshpr** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:03 am

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:43 am

Maybe deleting most NI stuff and a roll back to native access 1 could solve all my problems, this development is comparable to the waves subscription model. Where you have to accept, that keep old versions is the only way that works.
Since native access 2 - everything went wrong.
They haven’t learned a lesson, with new major versions in Kore, where you can’t open kore presets with absynth 4, Kontakt 3 or guitar rig 3 if you have only installed latest major release versions. There is also no reason, why you can’t open a Kontakt 4 preset saved in a daw project, if you have replaced Kontakt 4 with Kontakt 7 and the presets sounds on both Kontakt versions the same. It’s a whole crap with major release, in ten years you must have 5 different Kontakt major versions, 5 guitar rig versions and 4 Maschine versions installed for backward compatibility, but in 10 years no current product release can be activated, because there will be native access 4.
There are lot of products which have been updated with major releases like u-he, falcon, tone2 and even nexus and Steinberg, where you load a 10 year old Ableton live set, and everything opens with latest plugin versions.
Maybe I am not the target group, because I have lots of unfinished projects and like to redo with my latest production knowledge, but be aware that NI only supports actual products and don’t care about backward compatibility- they have so much happy users, which gets overwhelmed by the massive content of Komplete- there is so much new stuff that you never have to look back

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:56 am

noiseboyuk wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:22 am Trying to keep up with this thread, still a bit confused. Is this the summary so far? When all products are updated to the latest version in NA:

All old projects open fine under K6 (or earlier versions of Kontakt where applicable)?

Some products no longer appear in the library windows of K6 and new instances cannot be loaded (examples?)

Some products continue to appear in the library windows of K6, and there are two sets of nkis and resources (examples?)

Can anyone clarify?

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:09 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:56 am
noiseboyuk wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:22 am Trying to keep up with this thread, still a bit confused. Is this the summary so far? When all products are updated to the latest version in NA:

All old projects open fine under K6 (or earlier versions of Kontakt where applicable)?

Some products no longer appear in the library windows of K6 and new instances cannot be loaded (examples?)

Some products continue to appear in the library windows of K6, and there are two sets of nkis and resources (examples?)
Can anyone clarify?

Yes you can use Kontakt 6 only for opening old daw projects - if you want to load a library in a new project, you have to use Kontakt 7.6, BUT there are some exceptions - if you haven’t updated the libraries and don’t see any advantage, because you don’t have the new mk3 keyboard, than every libraries works in both Kontakt versions.
There are some few libraries, which will keep on working with both Kontakt versions, because they are using different nki files, and there will follow some other great updates, where you get robbed the rest of your Komplete libraries, if you don’t want to update to Kontakt 7.
I own Kontakt 7 and don’t want to use it - because it takes a minute longer to open the f**king plugin than Kontakt 6. When I want to use all of my NKS libraries, Kontakt 7, battery 4, maschine2 and Komplete Kontrol are taking 4 minutes to open these damn plugins - it’s not a sad state of NI - it’s a real never ending big frustration I start to combine with the Brand NI - it’s no useful software anymore, it’s a real marketing gag

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:52 pm

SLiC wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:48 amThe updates have stopped my libraries working in K6 and this is confirmed

Again, open up one of your old projects that use K6 and save out the NKI under a different name and you can keep on using it as you were.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:12 pm

EvilDragon wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:52 pm
SLiC wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:48 amThe updates have stopped my libraries working in K6 and this is confirmed
Again, open up one of your old projects that use K6 and save out the NKI under a different name and you can keep on using it as you were.

So you're just confirming that what he says is a fact and that the user needs a workaround after the update. You know not everyone using Kontakt is reading this thread or this forum right? Or should people rely on random forum people to be able to load instruments?

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:29 pm

sacer wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:09 pmYes you can use Kontakt 6 only for opening old daw projects - if you want to load a library in a new project, you have to use Kontakt 7.6, BUT there are some exceptions - if you haven’t updated the libraries and don’t see any advantage, because you don’t have the new mk3 keyboard, than every libraries works in both Kontakt versions.
There are some few libraries, which will keep on working with both Kontakt versions, because they are using different nki files, and there will follow some other great updates, where you get robbed the rest of your Komplete libraries, if you don’t want to update to Kontakt 7.
I own Kontakt 7 and don’t want to use it - because it takes a minute longer to open the f**king plugin than Kontakt 6. When I want to use all of my NKS libraries, Kontakt 7, battery 4, maschine2 and Komplete Kontrol are taking 4 minutes to open these damn plugins - it’s not a sad state of NI - it’s a real never ending big frustration I start to combine with the Brand NI - it’s no useful software anymore, it’s a real marketing gag

Thanks. I think we need a good old fashioned spreadsheet.

As to the resaving workaround, there's a lot of problems with that. Obviously you can only save a particular nki you have already used. Also if the library has disappeared from the library pane then you can only use QuickLoad from here on.

All things considered, this is a fail from NI. Most developers archive older patches in a subfolder if they make drastic version changes - a perfectly neat solution. Sounds like NI have done this for some products, but not bothered for others (and we have no list of which).

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:47 pm

Why would the library disappear from the library pane?

I have a screen shot a few pages ago showing Kontakt (6) still showing the nki's it can no longer load...

But it is relatively easy to save an nki of a loaded instance.

rsp

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:52 pm

Easy to save a load instrument's nki to whatever you want to name it.. Save as.. and they choose your own name..
rsp

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:03 pm

Isn't the safest way to use Kontakt within Komplete Kontrol, since doesn't it always use the most recent Kontakt available?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:13 pm

kmonkey wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:12 pmSo you're just confirming that what he says is a fact and that the user needs a workaround after the update. You know not everyone using Kontakt is reading this thread or this forum right? Or should people rely on random forum people to be able to load instruments?

No, people should just read release notes and not mindlessly click Update.

Some NI Libraries now updated to require Kontakt 7.6?