Pro Tools 2023.9 and... perpetual licenses are back

[lfm]

...and from chk071's link at 1:36 you see the pwd thingy
https://www.avid.com/de/pro-tools/learn ... 0fc15b0242

and the button Continue With Extended Install you will not need pwd I assume, more normal install with you at computer. Dellboy still said Avid Link was installed anyway.

But as noiseboyuk said these instalsl is not easy to go rid of, as you would if you run a trial. I remember from a laptop install to evaluate PT11 10 years ago to even get rid of Pace iLok software I had to go into registry and remove a link to a file that was kept open all the time, so a folder could not be removed.

But seems Mac installs are more smooth.

I decided not to install this intrusive software on my brand new clean machine. Only Sonar and PowerDirector and Waves plugins installed.

[dellboy]

Only started the previous time, didnt let the installer complete as it was my work laptop. Tested, and completed installation, on a second system from that one. Once again, no password request dialog, at any point.
FWIW, Avid Link is running (because I havent stopped it from doing so), but its signed out, as it always is.

Perhaps it needs to be a clean machine that has never had Avid Link installed on it? Anyways,it happened to me,and this Sweetwater instruction on how to install ProTools confirms it...........

https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ar ... s-12-2018/

[whyterabbyt]

...and from chk071's link at 1:36 you see the pwd thingy

If you use the Avid Link method, instead of the installer, then Avid Link has to be downloaded and installed already. Says so at 1.21 in that same video, and effectively so did chk071 and jens. But dellboy actually claimed otherwise, after they said so...

I seem to remember that It was at the download stage that Avid asked for my computer password,and prior to downloading anything.

[lfm]

On Dellboys sweetwater link
"To access your downloads in Avid Link, you will need to enter your system login credentials when you launch the application for the first time. This is the login and password you use when you boot into your computer, not your Avid account. If you are unsure of your system login credentials, you’ll need to refer to your OS manufacturer to receive that information. Please note that you will only need to enter this information when you launch Avid Link for the first time."

This is an oddball....your sign in credentials of your computer over to Avid.....installers usually ask for your account on the company to see what you bought....

and "refer to your OS manufacturer to receive that information"?
- this is getting more weird the more you read

They probably mean network administrator or similar.
- would Microsoft have a pwd for you?

Start hacker lesson

I learned some when installing OS on my new computer
https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/01/how-t ... r-account/

so all windows computers have an hidden Administrator account that need no password.

And described how to activate it and set a pwd so nobody can use it that way.

And learned on this link a useful command
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/change-na ... s-11.2133/

a command
"wmic useraccount get name,SID" and it lists even more accounts on your computer.

End hacker lesson

[kmonkey]

On Dellboys sweetwater link
"To access your downloads in Avid Link, you will need to enter your system login credentials when you launch the application for the first time. This is the login and password you use when you boot into your computer, not your Avid account. If you are unsure of your system login credentials, you’ll need to refer to your OS manufacturer to receive that information. Please note that you will only need to enter this information when you launch Avid Link for the first time."

This is an oddball....your sign in credentials of your computer over to Avid.....installers usually ask for your account on the company to see what you bought....

and "refer to your OS manufacturer to receive that information"?
- this is getting more weird the more you read

They probably mean network administrator or similar.
- would Microsoft have a pwd for you?

Start hacker lesson

I learned some when installing OS on my new computer
https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/01/how-t ... r-account/

so all windows computers have an hidden Administrator account that need no password.

And described how to activate it and set a pwd so nobody can use it that way.

And learned on this link a useful command
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/change-na ... s-11.2133/

a command
"wmic useraccount get name,SID" and it lists even more accounts on your computer.

End hacker lesson

Except that you are overreacting and making a drama out of nothing. And your hacker lesson is classic stupidity which can be found all over the place.

Because the user account that is created upon setup of Windows 11 (and from which screenshots in that article are being created) is of administrative class. So if you install Windows and go through the setup for the first time - you are already in the admin class. (your article that you linked even says so)

Now you gotta ask yourself - if I already have physical access to the computer and I am already logged in as a user with administrative class - why do I need to waste my time in reenabling the disabled second administration account?

Exactly. Crickets in the background.

And for your record - NO you can not enable that disabled admin-level account if you are logged in as a basic user without an admin class. Even your article says that but I guess you don't understand.

This is as stupid as it gets, these so-called hacker lessons. On the same level as a "highly critical zero-day exploit" in order to be running - a user needs to have physical access to the computer and admin level account to it.

Like WTF. If I already compromised someone else's computer and have admin access to it, why would I out of the blue waste my time running zero-day exploits in order to steal the data to which I already have access? Brain fuc* stupid.

But hey people are stupid and they get carried.

And no, Windows does not ship with a "forgotten" admin account. Although the Administrator account comes disabled by default since it's not required and could impose a security risk, advanced users and network administrators may sometimes need the account to troubleshoot problems and manage system settings remotely - which is why this is there. But (key point here) in order to enable it you need to be in the admin class. But (key point here) if yo are already an admin you probably don't need to do this, unless you want to test something remotely and so on. Surprise.

The point is - Avid and everything you are trying to make a drama about - is a nonissue.

[lfm]

The point is - Avid and everything you are trying to make a drama about - is a nonissue.

No it isn't, and a couple users in this thread also confirmed they never seen anything like this anywhere else.
- that your own login on computer are given away to an installer
- instruction videos and text says so too

If "sweetwater" text is correct and you give away root account it is even worse.
- ask Microsoft for too pwd?

As I linked to the "hacker lessons" they are online to be found.
- there is a lot of deeper level things to be found
- this everyday stuff for you, good for you

It was a bit deeper than I needed before so called it "hacker lesson" for fun.

You make a drama over that if you want....

[spacepluk]

Of all the things they have to fix in Pro Tools... this is all the way at the bottom of my list.

[lfm]

Of all the things they have to fix in Pro Tools... this is all the way at the bottom of my list.

Thank you, then I know I did not miss anything not doing the trial and full install.

I also did the suggested command to access the non-active Administrator account
- activated it
- logged in without any needed pwd
- choose sign in options and added a pwd for it
- deactivated account again

Just to confirm that instructions were correct that I linked to.

Using that Adminstrator account also mean that you run all software without any UAC control prompts. According to article.

Those that are into stealing computers probably have more brutal ways to access a computer, just seems one level more private.

[Kypresso]

Of all the things they have to fix in Pro Tools... this is all the way at the bottom of my list.

Of all the things that worry me, someone i dont know getting hold of my admin password to my computer is way at the top of my list... installing pro fools is no longer even on my list of things to ever try.

[spacepluk]

Nobody is getting your admin password, stop it.

[dellboy]

Nobody is getting your admin password, stop it.

Yes,you do give Avid your computer password,its part of the Licence agreement. Have a look at the video that @chk071 linked to at 1:38

[spacepluk]

I don't see any indication in that video that the password is ever leaving your computer. It's most likely just to save you from entering the password a thousand times while it runs all the installers.

[dellboy]

I don't see any indication in that video that the password is ever leaving your computer. It's most likely just to save you from entering the password a thousand times while it runs all the installers.

At the point of filling in your password,you are still logged into your new Avid account and have yet to download anything. As to where your password is being stored is up for debate.

[whyterabbyt]

Nobody is getting your admin password, stop it.

Yes,you do give Avid your computer password,its part of the Licence agreement. Have a look at the video that @chk071 linked to at 1:38

You're giving the instance of the Avid Link application that you've installed on your machine the password, not Avid the company. Have a look at the video that he linked to, at 1:21

[whyterabbyt]

I don't see any indication in that video that the password is ever leaving your computer. It's most likely just to save you from entering the password a thousand times while it runs all the installers.

At the point of filling in your password,you are still logged into your new Avid account and have yet to download anything. As to where your password is being stored is up for debate.

At the point of filling in your password, you are filling it in to Avid Link, which you have already downloaded and installed.