Now this is a game changer - Bitwig, Presonus team up DAWProject

[audiojunkie]

ANNNND, PreSonus is getting Linux support!!!!

https://www.presonus.com/en-US/studio-o ... specs.html

It makes even more sense to me now, since Bitwig and Studio One will both support Linux and be interoperable!

[aMUSEd]

How does this work if you’ve used a Bitwig specific or S1 specific instrument or effect? Eg the rack

[cptgone]

Great move IMHO

If you are a hobbyist working in one DAW, or a professional that mixes your own stuff and rarely if ever colloborate with another producer elsewhere it will most likely be a non entity.

It's not impossible though, that a DAW moves on to a new file system (like Cubase did, long ago - I have lots of projects I wish I had converted while I still could, without having to try and re-install a 19 year old version of Cubase).

[zvenx]

True, true, didn't think of that.
(I wish Cubendo could open my old Studio Vision Pro files for instance..lol)
rsp

[pikey]

Know what I'd much rather see? An open format for MIDI FX. Now that Steinberg obviously pushes the end of VST3, and developers can't implement all the stuff they have working in their VST2 MIDI plugins, and Steinberg arguing that the DAW should provide useful MIDI tools, I think it would be a great time for Steinberg to provide a plugin API which allows developers to develop MIDI plugins which don't have the limitations that VST3 obviously imposes on MIDI plugins.

Of course, they could also just provide all that in VST3, but, I'm not sure if they really want that.

CLAP is an open format that allows plugins to generate and process MIDI and act as only a midi fx - <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://u-he.com/community/clap</span>/

Currently Reaper and Bitwig are the big(ish) DAWs onboard with the format, so time will tell whether it becomes a de facto format or not.

It's not an option for those using Cubase or Studio One. And, personally, I also frankly don't care one bit about another format. I want to see this in VST, or an extra format for MIDI FX, if Steinberg wants to go that way. I don't need yet another format.

You're correct it's not an option for Cubase right now, but neither is this VST MIDI FX format you've concocted so I'm unsure what your point is.

Either way I was just informing of something that exists, if you already know about CLAP and have discounted it then that's fine, I'll move on as MIDI fx are mostly offtopic to the dawproject discussion.

[chk071]

Know what I'd much rather see? An open format for MIDI FX. Now that Steinberg obviously pushes the end of VST3, and developers can't implement all the stuff they have working in their VST2 MIDI plugins, and Steinberg arguing that the DAW should provide useful MIDI tools, I think it would be a great time for Steinberg to provide a plugin API which allows developers to develop MIDI plugins which don't have the limitations that VST3 obviously imposes on MIDI plugins.

Of course, they could also just provide all that in VST3, but, I'm not sure if they really want that.

CLAP is an open format that allows plugins to generate and process MIDI and act as only a midi fx - <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://u-he.com/community/clap</span>/

Currently Reaper and Bitwig are the big(ish) DAWs onboard with the format, so time will tell whether it becomes a de facto format or not.

It's not an option for those using Cubase or Studio One. And, personally, I also frankly don't care one bit about another format. I want to see this in VST, or an extra format for MIDI FX, if Steinberg wants to go that way. I don't need yet another format.

You're correct it's not an option for Cubase right now, but neither is this VST MIDI FX format you've concocted so I'm unsure what your point is.

Cubase actually even has an API for their MIDI FX, but, it seems like it's very old, and hardly anyone ever made use of it (and it's also, obviously, limited to MIDI FX in Cubase): https://www.steinberg.net/de/developers/ (VST Module Architecture SDK)

You suggested another format. I don't need another format. That's the point. Either VST3 should support this, or Steinberg should develop an offspring which supports this, if they argue that VST is an audio plugin format, not a MIDI plugin format.

[jens]

Not sure if it is a "game changer", but, surely nice for the (few) people who want to share projects between different DAWs.

What makes you think it's just a few?

[jens]

... for those who regularly use two or more different DAWs. I don't know how many people do that really.

Actually I do

Me too, all the time actually - Studio One, Reason, Reaper, Cubase/Nuendo... and sometimes others too - plus I have a license for Bitwig Studio 5 which I have yet to put to proper use...

[pdxindy]

Not sure if it is a "game changer", but, surely nice for the (few) people who want to share projects between different DAWs.

There is potentially another use, which is starting a project in one DAW and switching to another to use its features. For example, if this catches on then people could create something in Live and switch to, say, Cubase for mixing. Make a bunch of sounds in Logic using Alchemy. Use FL Studio's midi tool to compose a track. Start in Studio One, then switch to Bitwig to use their spectral tools, then move back again.

I'd love to start in Logic, use its tempo mapping while recording midi, add in Drummer and some groove stuff and export that to Bitwig easily using the DAW Project format. That would be great!!

[pdxindy]

Not sure if it is a "game changer", but, surely nice for the (few) people who want to share projects between different DAWs.

What makes you think it's just a few?

This is awesome! Two DAW developers working together to make it easier for users.

[pdxindy]

I don't need yet another format.

Obviously you do... cause you are proposing one yourself.

[jens]

There's a myriad of theoretical possibilities - actually it's about time we get something like this. It's a real game-changer I think. I would be surprised if the Reaper devs wouldn't welcome it with open arms. (The most important thing is that a) it is pretty exhaustive and apparently well laid-out and b) they did it the right way by using XML for it.)

[chk071]

I don't need yet another format.

Obviously you do... cause you are proposing one yourself.

Actually, no, I don't. If you had read my subsequent posts.

[Dionysos]

You suggested another format. I don't need another format. That's the point. Either VST3 should support this, or Steinberg should develop an offspring which supports this, if they argue that VST is an audio plugin format, not a MIDI plugin format.

What you're saying is you don't want another format – not even one that already exists and is supported by some DAWs – unless it's developed by Steinberg.

[chk071]

No, that's not what I said at all.

Keep trying. Maybe you'll get it at some point.