So getting back to the synth that never sounds bad. I have a winner!
Synapse Audio Obsession.
After a deeply thorough investigation. This is the synth that no person can deny is outstanding regardless of what you do with it.
What do I win?
What's that one synth that you find never sounds bad?
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- KVRAF
- 2730 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK
Why do people interact with the bully? I don't get it. All you're doing is giving him what he wants.
He even literally said in his last post
You'll be much happier if you just don't read his posts, which will stop you trying to fathom 'a clever' response to make him realise some profound "you're being a d!ck" thing you think he should hear, because he won't.
Until he can actually be pleasant and provide constructive comments rather than destructive attacks, avoid his words at all costs, for your sanity. Don't get sucked in to the hole.
He even literally said in his last post
He'll get a message from KVR because I quoted him, so there is the possibility he'll try to defend 'winding people up' as OK on a public forum; please just ignore him.
You'll be much happier if you just don't read his posts, which will stop you trying to fathom 'a clever' response to make him realise some profound "you're being a d!ck" thing you think he should hear, because he won't.
Until he can actually be pleasant and provide constructive comments rather than destructive attacks, avoid his words at all costs, for your sanity. Don't get sucked in to the hole.
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- KVRAF
- 1586 posts since 7 Jun, 2007
Wise words CinningBao, that's why I "ran out of time" to chat with him after only 2 responses because in all my years here at KVR I've never bothered with him before, and probably never will again. The narcissism is plain to see. What might not be so obvious to the uninitiated is something called narcissistic borderline personality disorder in which the person is literally oblivious to their role in the dynamics of their interpersonal relationships, and thus ends up blaming everyone else for "everything that happens to them". Having grown up with a mother like that I can smell it a mile away, or half a planet away after a prolific string of forum rants. The internal script is so predictable you can basically sing along with the words as you're being screamed at.
I have no bandwidth for that in my life from anyone anymore. Especially not from some numbskull neanderthal who gives Australians a bad rep. I mean Hugh Jackman seems like a great guy, right? Not to mention Andy from Cytomic. Now THAT will be a synth that will never sound bad.
Unless it has a ladder filter...pfft.
I have no bandwidth for that in my life from anyone anymore. Especially not from some numbskull neanderthal who gives Australians a bad rep. I mean Hugh Jackman seems like a great guy, right? Not to mention Andy from Cytomic. Now THAT will be a synth that will never sound bad.
Unless it has a ladder filter...pfft.
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- KVRist
- 111 posts since 11 Sep, 2022
I'm still a novice so it's common for me to start with a perfectly good patch and turn it into hot garbage rather quickly. Two synths I've used so far that always seem to sound good no matter how clumsy my attempts at sound design are would be Sonic Academy ANA 2 and DS Audio Thorn. I'd compare the experience to getting lost at an amusement park. I may not arrive where I originally intended, but it's still a good time wherever I end up. 
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- KVRian
- 568 posts since 13 Aug, 2017
But can you make any synth sounds good for a certain sound? For example a sound with 2 sources, a square osc and whatever wavetable pluck sound with built in chorus, ring modulator and reverb? Can you make any synth with that setting sounds equally good? There must be some synth that sounds better than the others to your ears.
I think that is the context of this thread. Not making any synth sounds bad. Everyone can do that.
I think that is the context of this thread. Not making any synth sounds bad. Everyone can do that.
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- KVRian
- 606 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo
Thats the spirit!robelanator wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:29 pm I'm still a novice so it's common for me to start with a perfectly good patch and turn it into hot garbage rather quickly. Two synths I've used so far that always seem to sound good no matter how clumsy my attempts at sound design are would be Sonic Academy ANA 2 and DS Audio Thorn. I'd compare the experience to getting lost at an amusement park. I may not arrive where I originally intended, but it's still a good time wherever I end up.
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
- KVRAF
- 2276 posts since 19 Sep, 2011
I am just getting back to writing music again. I will say of all kvr members, Bones is the guy that I respect more then anyone. Bones is reality and truth. Kvr is full of trendy gear and new developers. If this artist uses that synth, then people will buy that synth or that effect to sound like them. But without the said artists skills, buying all that gear makes a total mess. As a person that trains in Muay Thai. You can only fight how how you train. You can use presets of course which many do. But if you look at the massive amount of new music released every day on youtube or soundcloud and most people never get anywhere other then becoming buyers, collectors, and sellers of the latest, the newest, or most popular gear. Those that do succeed, most often use the gear that is equal to their level of knowledge.
Most people cannot justify their gear with their level of skill. So damn true it hurts.
Like being able microwave a TV dinner. Ask them how to prepare even one part of the cooking process. Umm... Chicken, some kind of like sweet sauce and uhh. "Hey, I am tired, and do not feel like cooking. Exactly. People are not idiots. They know the difference between fast food and a meal made with time, care, and focus. Hate on bones all you want, But this the truth.
Most people cannot justify their gear with their level of skill. So damn true it hurts.
Like being able microwave a TV dinner. Ask them how to prepare even one part of the cooking process. Umm... Chicken, some kind of like sweet sauce and uhh. "Hey, I am tired, and do not feel like cooking. Exactly. People are not idiots. They know the difference between fast food and a meal made with time, care, and focus. Hate on bones all you want, But this the truth.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111288 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
haha! i don't even own a microwave!
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- KVRAF
- 9145 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Now that doesn't sound like BONES!AstralExistence wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:51 pm People are not idiots. They know the difference between fast food and a meal made with time, care, and focus. Hate on bones all you want, But this the truth.
Personally, I don't agree with all BONES says (not with anyone really!), but he is pragmatic and I like some of his opinions.
Anyway, when I'm seeing most of how 'producers' work, they mostly use samples (especially from old songs) in FL Studio!
Ok it is not my style (Rap or/and Hip Hop), but that a big junk of the market I see now. So, who is using synths from nowadays 'stars' compared to say 10 or 15 years ago? Is it just old guys like us in their bedrooms studios?
I don't know really what is the current trends in music and how that affects new generations. The older I get, the further away I be from the current trends in music. I know of course it is a generation thing, but I just listen mainly to the 70's, 80's and 90's kind of music (Pop and Rock mainly). These are heavily depend on synths (and guitars) not on samples. Well, just a thought came to my mind about synths. Is the sampling going to take over synths? Or is it already more popular?! I have no idea!
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Reason 13, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
- to preface the following remarks, I'd like to say, since everyone's different the point is not to say what I want out of things is 'good' vs 'bad'. Some of what I'll respond to is in my estimation argumentative in the quality that had me opting out previously.
But as pertains to the remarks above, here's you with things which are more the same than not from track to track, vs me and hell no. Even if I'm involved in something which is definitely of a piece (ie., part of an album) with the last thing, I am _not_ going to start with the exact same frame, something (or a number of somethings) in the arrangement is going to be different enough that it means different problems. So my music has changed a lot in the last 15 yrs. I'm uninterested in what my approach or technique was at any of those points, I don't sound like that now.
(Long story short, I don't say "problems" meaning what you mean by the word, or as though one is faced with avoidable mistakes or something. It's actually an odd thing to have to explain, as I'm accustomed to people talking this way particularly as regards production.)
I'm not looking for the cut-and-dried. (A nice strings patch, I wouldn't look for Massive for, that's for sure.) The time I found a lot of joy in its use I was having a whale of a time as it was and found a "preset" that was exactly what I needed. I didn't have a hard preconception of what I needed past it would be a lead line that provided contrast from the rest (which was 100% my sound design). A few tweaks that didn't ruin it but made it work 'best' and I was even more inspired.BONES wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:57 am Yeah, I don't know what it is, [OG Massive] just doesn't impress me most of the time. I've never heard what I'd describe as a nice strings patch from it, for example, or a bass I was interested in using. The presets never made me want to dig into it more...
Well, finding that in_a_mix EQ'ing is something one should do ≠ non-holistic sound design. It appears to be that:BONES wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:57 amI do almost no eq'ing any more, I find it largely unnecessary if I use the right sounds. It comes from viewing the entire process holistically, not breaking it into separate chunks with little or no cross-over.
Well, I make a lot of choices you never would, clearly. I'm not doing simple songs with a need to get something together quickly for an ulterior [eg., public performance] outside music qua music.
That's great, and I imagine there are people that need to see this.BONES wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:57 am In a 15 track mix, more than half the effects in use will be on my vocal channel(s) and, most of the time, all the effects will be spread between vox, drums and the master channel; 3 or 4 channels out of 16. It's amazing how this approach has led to much clearer mixes, without sacrificing intensity or density. Honestly, it's been a revelation.
But as pertains to the remarks above, here's you with things which are more the same than not from track to track, vs me and hell no. Even if I'm involved in something which is definitely of a piece (ie., part of an album) with the last thing, I am _not_ going to start with the exact same frame, something (or a number of somethings) in the arrangement is going to be different enough that it means different problems. So my music has changed a lot in the last 15 yrs. I'm uninterested in what my approach or technique was at any of those points, I don't sound like that now.
(Long story short, I don't say "problems" meaning what you mean by the word, or as though one is faced with avoidable mistakes or something. It's actually an odd thing to have to explain, as I'm accustomed to people talking this way particularly as regards production.)