Nano pricing seems is linked to Vocoder 4, Colors pricing to Pitchmap. I was surprised Nano was free and Colors priced. Initially I thought Colors was just a cut down version of Pitchmap and thought I had done my dough but having played with it for a while I am glad I bought it - defintitely brings something new, for me at least.aMUSEd wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:56 am I'm not sure I see the point of Colours if you already have the full Pitchmap? Also not sure why they are charging Pitchmap owners anything tbh. It does say if you buy Colours you get Orange Nano 'free' but that seems to be only if you buy it in a bundle where you can't use the 'crossgrade' price for Colours, so I would have gone for that just for nano but not now
Zynaptiq Pitchmap::Colors
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- Banned
- 580 posts since 27 May, 2023
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- KVRAF
- 5440 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
Just want to report, that I just got the coupon from Zynaptiq after sending a mail to them.
It seems, that the 2 new plugins include 2 iLok authorizations in stead on just 1, like the rest of the Zynaptiq plugins.
I got the information, that you can request and additional iLok autorization for 1 year (which sounds pretty strange policy, but better than nothing).
It seems, that the 2 new plugins include 2 iLok authorizations in stead on just 1, like the rest of the Zynaptiq plugins.
I got the information, that you can request and additional iLok autorization for 1 year (which sounds pretty strange policy, but better than nothing).
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- KVRAF
- 37449 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
You got a coupon code or just a link?
I got a link but it doesn't allow me to then use my offered cross grade and also add the free Nano
I got a link but it doesn't allow me to then use my offered cross grade and also add the free Nano
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- KVRian
- 554 posts since 1 Dec, 2013 from UK
nano is not free for me, do you have to have their vocoder IV to get rhe free nano?
aMUSEd wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:48 am You got a coupon code or just a link?
I got a link but it doesn't allow me to then use my offered cross grade and also add the free Nano
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- KVRian
- 818 posts since 15 Jun, 2018
The more interesting deal seems to be buying OV Nano for 59!, then upgrading to the big version for 109€. This way you get OV cheaper than in most sales, where it's running at 199€.
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- KVRAF
- 2066 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
As far as I can tell, it's primarily pre filters, the Formant options, and the workflow.plexuss wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:12 am I havent delved into the product details yet. Thought I'd ask though, what does Pitchmap::Colors bring to the table that Pitchmap doesnt?
You could put an EQ before Pitchmap and optional figure out how to mix the rejected frequencies back but that's workflow. Pitchmap doesn't seem to have anything that affects formants. Pitchmap has transient control via "Purify", and "Sick/Insane/WTF" is analogous to the "Electrify" control.
Pitchmap has an advantage in terms of pitch rounding. Colors has up/down/nearest, and Pitchmap has an additional "Intelligent". I don't know why it isn't in Colors. I also don't know why Zynaptiq didn't give Colors free to Pitchmap owners when they gave the lite version of OV to OV owners.
Scale shift, MIDI are both there. Pitchmap has more control across three octaves, Colors you stay in the one octave which is replicated across the keyboard off-screen whether you want it or not. So Colors to me is like a lite version with some QOL things that could be in Pitchmap but are not strictly necessary.
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- KVRAF
- 37449 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
No but it's a bit sneaky as it says buy Colors and get Nano free, only when you use their link to get them both Colors is full price and not the cross grade price. It seems they want to only give Nano to new buyers.
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- 580 posts since 27 May, 2023
Nano is free for existing owners of vocoder 4aMUSEd wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:43 pmNo but it's a bit sneaky as it says buy Colors and get Nano free, only when you use their link to get them both Colors is full price and not the cross grade price. It seems they want to only give Nano to new buyers.
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- KVRist
- 93 posts since 14 Feb, 2023
i would like a plugin that can fix slightly off tune notes for things like guitar, electric bass or piano performances. basically an autotune that can work on polyphonic instrumental material. is pitchmap colors a good solution for that?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
I sort of tried to answer these questions in my OP.
Can this be used as a polyphonic autotune? Yeah, kinda, I tested it on a variety of things and A/B'd the result quite a bit with "Sick" (the other 2 algorithms very much do not do that). I can't really think of a use case where this would make much sense that requires it to be real-time. If you really need to fix a bunch of badly tuned guitar recordings it would probably make more sense to invest in RipX DeepCreate (not least as it does all sorts of other brilliant things)
The one thing I can't quite put my finger on is that it doesn't completely remove all stereo information, but I'm sitting here listening to a Loung Lizard EP with autopan and toggling Colors on and off and the result has a stereo image, and even a little movement, but it's not even similar to the hardpanning movement of the original, FWIW. To be fair, knowing how the sound must be decomposed via FFT it's hard to imagine a DSP that would really faithfully reproduce a lot of stereo movement while also tracking polyphonic frequencies... something to think about if you think you're going to be doing live pitch correction. A/Bing the Colors with all the notes of the keyboard activated so it only has the option of moving any given pitch to the nearest one of the 12 equal temperament does seem to preserve the original sound with surprising fidelity.
Also, if you put in a triad and tell it to play a M-m7, it will not just magically create new notes to fill out your desired chord, it will move the three existing notes to something in that chord. Non real-time editors will do this, certainly RipX DeepCreate what whatever the most expensive version of Melodyne is called will.
It is presented as a FSU sound design tool, though, at which it excels. I immediately saw that I could map the Scale Shift, Formant Shift and Formant Gamma to one of my 3D MIDI controllers like an XYZ on one of my touchscreens, USB hothand, KMI Softstep2 or Quneo pad, a Roli Lightblock, or I could see mapping it to 2 expression pedals connected to keyboards maybe with polyphonic aftertouch thrown in, and many of these things could be mapped to preset chords to send to Pitchmap Colors.
I ended up loving it but the reason I instantly bought it was I wanted to test it for that guy who wanted a polyphonic pitch shifting whammy pedal. Given that it shifts by semitones it seems like a reasonably similar effect. When I've run into Zynaptiq sales I've always bought anything I could afford, as everything they make does something nothing else really does and, regardless of it's stated purpose, does something really interesting a sound design maniac like me loves.
Like I said in the OP I own Unchirp but what I really use it for is crazy sound design effects. I must say, though, that their Unfilter, Unmix Drums and Unveil really DO do the things their ostensibly made to do very, very well. I wrote a very, very long essay on how to make something like Unveil once and I saw Unveil in 2021 I was very happy with their somehow telepathically making me something I needed. I suspect their technology will be used in something the digital audio world could have done 15 years ago but there still hasn't been quite the paradigm shift in enough people's minds to grasp, which is to decompose sounds to extract and metatag their characteristics for exemplar data to present to evolutionary algorithms which can then draw on a variety of DSP nodes to then generate audio with the desired output characteristics with multi-parameter temporal envelopes which can be updated and expressed in real-time, as opposed to being statically specified beforehand. If you understood the previous sentence someday you'll think back on my rants of more than a decade ago and smile someday once we get to that point.
From the Colors manual (which, oddly, is rather funny):
Can this be used as a polyphonic autotune? Yeah, kinda, I tested it on a variety of things and A/B'd the result quite a bit with "Sick" (the other 2 algorithms very much do not do that). I can't really think of a use case where this would make much sense that requires it to be real-time. If you really need to fix a bunch of badly tuned guitar recordings it would probably make more sense to invest in RipX DeepCreate (not least as it does all sorts of other brilliant things)
The one thing I can't quite put my finger on is that it doesn't completely remove all stereo information, but I'm sitting here listening to a Loung Lizard EP with autopan and toggling Colors on and off and the result has a stereo image, and even a little movement, but it's not even similar to the hardpanning movement of the original, FWIW. To be fair, knowing how the sound must be decomposed via FFT it's hard to imagine a DSP that would really faithfully reproduce a lot of stereo movement while also tracking polyphonic frequencies... something to think about if you think you're going to be doing live pitch correction. A/Bing the Colors with all the notes of the keyboard activated so it only has the option of moving any given pitch to the nearest one of the 12 equal temperament does seem to preserve the original sound with surprising fidelity.
Also, if you put in a triad and tell it to play a M-m7, it will not just magically create new notes to fill out your desired chord, it will move the three existing notes to something in that chord. Non real-time editors will do this, certainly RipX DeepCreate what whatever the most expensive version of Melodyne is called will.
It is presented as a FSU sound design tool, though, at which it excels. I immediately saw that I could map the Scale Shift, Formant Shift and Formant Gamma to one of my 3D MIDI controllers like an XYZ on one of my touchscreens, USB hothand, KMI Softstep2 or Quneo pad, a Roli Lightblock, or I could see mapping it to 2 expression pedals connected to keyboards maybe with polyphonic aftertouch thrown in, and many of these things could be mapped to preset chords to send to Pitchmap Colors.
I ended up loving it but the reason I instantly bought it was I wanted to test it for that guy who wanted a polyphonic pitch shifting whammy pedal. Given that it shifts by semitones it seems like a reasonably similar effect. When I've run into Zynaptiq sales I've always bought anything I could afford, as everything they make does something nothing else really does and, regardless of it's stated purpose, does something really interesting a sound design maniac like me loves.
Like I said in the OP I own Unchirp but what I really use it for is crazy sound design effects. I must say, though, that their Unfilter, Unmix Drums and Unveil really DO do the things their ostensibly made to do very, very well. I wrote a very, very long essay on how to make something like Unveil once and I saw Unveil in 2021 I was very happy with their somehow telepathically making me something I needed. I suspect their technology will be used in something the digital audio world could have done 15 years ago but there still hasn't been quite the paradigm shift in enough people's minds to grasp, which is to decompose sounds to extract and metatag their characteristics for exemplar data to present to evolutionary algorithms which can then draw on a variety of DSP nodes to then generate audio with the desired output characteristics with multi-parameter temporal envelopes which can be updated and expressed in real-time, as opposed to being statically specified beforehand. If you understood the previous sentence someday you'll think back on my rants of more than a decade ago and smile someday once we get to that point.
From the Colors manual (which, oddly, is rather funny):
I wish I could convey what that sounds like in words, the closest I can think of is that it's like if a vowel filter has a resonance parameter, but there's no vowel. It just depends on the overtones of the input."FORMANT GAMMA, which is a unique function that exaggerates the formants and
creates very organic sounding, complex moving filter effects. It does so by making
the formants narrower and more pronounced, while attenuating non-formant
frequencies. Experiment with this one, it’s really cool!"
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- KVRian
- 818 posts since 15 Jun, 2018
Zplane Retune might be what you're looking formotomotomoto wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:29 pm i would like a plugin that can fix slightly off tune notes for things like guitar, electric bass or piano performances. basically an autotune that can work on polyphonic instrumental material. is pitchmap colors a good solution for that?
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- KVRian
- 1113 posts since 8 Oct, 2019
Do you guys know what the MSRP is of Pitchmap Colours? And if you have Pitchmap colours, is there still a need to have the OG Pitchmap? I used to have a license, but sold it some time ago.
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- KVRAF
- 6504 posts since 25 May, 2002 from Bobo-dioulasso\BF__Geneva/CH
there's one point that interest me not being debate yet...are thy tailored for a real-time use ? ...I assume they benefit at a few aspects of recent technological innovations that makes them more usable for live performance than the full versions, concerning latency issue ?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
turning it on and off in FL studio didn't appear to reveal any latency but given that it's FFT there's unquestionably however many samples are windowed causing at least a wee bit, it wouldn't be of much use to be able to play in MIDI notes live if there was a lot of latency... in fact, this if you do not need to do any of the functions live more expensive editors like RipX and Melodyne will always be betterKrakatau wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:45 pm there's one point that interest me not being debate yet...are thy tailored for a real-time use ? ...I assume they benefit at a few aspects of recent technological innovations that makes them more usable for live performance than the full versions, concerning latency issue ?
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- KVRAF
- 5272 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
The gamma effect "sounds" from all of the indescribable descriptions like a change of the window function at spectral peaks based on the input in order to make them ring via resonance (constructive interaction) in the way that people are used to have regular filters ring. This is a thing that is relatively simply done (the windowing not the tracking of multiple spectral peaks) with FFT data.
Maybe that's helpful for people or maybe just more confusing but it didn't sound very "indescribable" to me.
I am confused about the exact feature set of colors vs just having pitchmap. Is it doing things that pitchmap can't technically do or is it just doing things more easily than pitchmap can? I'll get around to checking it out soon enough, but I'm not particularly excited about it or the presentation of it.
Maybe that's helpful for people or maybe just more confusing but it didn't sound very "indescribable" to me.
I am confused about the exact feature set of colors vs just having pitchmap. Is it doing things that pitchmap can't technically do or is it just doing things more easily than pitchmap can? I'll get around to checking it out soon enough, but I'm not particularly excited about it or the presentation of it.
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