Gforce Oberheim OB-X

[whyterabbyt]

I just did a search and it appears that Dave Spiers is not a member of KVR.

Your search had about as much veracity as some of your other claims, then.

[vurt]

[vurt]

aaaaand he's back!

[whyterabbyt]

Who do you think he'll be besties with next? Did he get pissed on cheap Liebfraumilch with Urs after the first Superbooth, or is he distantly related to Uli B, and spent every holiday with his fam, on their farm? Maybe he's the next door neighbour of the Apple exec that seduced Camel Ben? Or accidently buggered Jordan Rudess during a pent-up game of strip speed scrabble, conducted on bath salts?

Breath baited for more namedropping adventures...

[vurt]

probably rang dave to check his search was correct

[Odd Fella]

***you screwed up the formating of the quotes and I don't fell like wasting time on correcting it, so I deleted all your quotes***

Well, some people might have had the original hardware, which they sold or ceased to work, and so they would love to have it back as software at least.

Not sure about Hz, but high-resonance sounds make more sense at some frequencies than others.
I know and like it mostly from songs like this one


It's a matter of taste. I am not saying that the ladder filter is ideal or anything. Since I hardly use any resonance, I don't care about that difference. If a ladder filter is good and used in a good synth, fine with me.

Sylenth1 is also a matter of taste. I like it, so do many others. Yeah, I know, we are all idiots...

[BONES]

Well, some people might have had the original hardware, which they sold or ceased to work, and so they would love to have it back as software at least.

So people unable to move on. Probably all sorts of other people with mental defects, too.

Not sure about Hz, but high-resonance sounds make more sense at some frequencies than others.

Resonance isn't a particular sound, it is simply the emphasis of those frequencies around the cutoff. If you want to make a big, impactful bassline, why wouldn't you want the resonance emphasising that part of the frequency spectrum?

I know and like it mostly from songs like this one

Is that a real song? It sounds like someone taking the piss.

It's a matter of taste. I am not saying that the ladder filter is ideal or anything. Since I hardly use any resonance, I don't care about that difference. If a ladder filter is good and used in a good synth, fine with me.

If you're not using any resonance, then of course it won't matter what filter you use but the behaviour of the resonance gives a filter a lot of its character, which makes it a very important part of what makes a synth good or bad.

Yeah, I know, we are all idiots...

Clearly. Interestingly, a big part of the reason I don't like Sylenth 1 is because you can't modulate the cutoff from zero to max from the mod matrix, unless you add it in twice.

[zerocrossing]

aaaaand he's back!

BTW, I’m reading the audio book of Vurt, and the reader is phenomenal. I feel like it makes the book even better.

[andy-cytomic]

Resonance isn't a particular sound, it is simply the emphasis of those frequencies around the cutoff. If you want to make a big, impactful bassline, why wouldn't you want the resonance emphasising that part of the frequency spectrum?

When in self oscillation a filter definitely has a particular sound. The combined non-linearities of the filter, and the structure of the filter, and the amount of resonance, and how much self noise the filter has, all play a part in giving each filter it's own particular sound.

Also when the resonance is emphasising particular parts of the sound, these parts get higher in amplitude and are more likely to distort the filter at hose boosted frequencies, much like a tone knob prior to a drive pedal doing emphasis / de-emphasis.

[BONES]

When in self-oscillation you get a sine wave. Hardly worth anything in my book. One of the most over-rated aspects of filters, mostly used in the past to prove the superiority of hardware over software.

[andy-cytomic]

When in self-oscillation you get a sine wave. Hardly worth anything in my book. One of the most over-rated aspects of filters, mostly used in the past to prove the superiority of hardware over software.

Non-linear analog and analog modelled filters when in self oscillation do not give you a sine wave alone. Each filter has a different harmonic character and tone of a distorted sine wave, ie a sine wave with a bunch of distinctive harmonics, each of which is another sine wave. You could say all sounds are just sine waves, but clearly this is misguided (ie sounds can be de-composed as a bunch of sine waves, but my guitar doesn't have a bunch of sine wave oscillators inside to make its sound).

If you don't think self oscillating filters are useful then that is fine, but you said "Resonance isn't a particular sound" and it really is.

[revvy]

Unusual for bones to have written something incorrect.

[audiouser720]

Andy Cytomic vs BONES

I cannot believe this is happening today on KVR. I need to stock up on popcorn.

An absolute filter genius vs … well … BONES

May the ladder filter be with you all

[BONES]

Non-linear analog and analog modelled filters when in self oscillation do not give you a sine wave alone. Each filter has a different harmonic character and tone of a distorted sine wave, ie a sine wave with a bunch of distinctive harmonics, each of which is another sine wave.

Still a sine wave, still pointless and boring. Honestly, how often is going to be actually useful? I've written hundreds of songs and never had a use for it yet. Moreover, I own tens of thousands of songs and can't think of any time I've heard it used at all. It's probably there in a few places, just nothing memorable or worthwhile.

You could say all sounds are just sine waves, but clearly this is misguided (ie sounds can be de-composed as a bunch of sine waves, but my guitar doesn't have a bunch of sine wave oscillators inside to make its sound).

If you look at all the different waveshapes we are happy to call "sawtooth", me calling a filter in self-oscillation a sine wave wouldn't cover any greater ground.

If you don't think self oscillating filters are useful then that is fine, but you said "Resonance isn't a particular sound" and it really is.

You're just playing semantics. Self-oscillation is an extreme case of resonance, miles away from the discussion we were having, if you'd bothered to f**king read it before wading in with something completely irrelevant to it. You have to read in context if you want your contributions to be in any way meaningful or useful.

[andy-cytomic]

Bones: let’s just get back to the point without casting value judgments on what is boring or not, and keeping your preference for what you prefer as just that, a personal preference. Here is the context of the conversation, just for clarity since you have said you thought my comments were taken out of context:

This point was made by Odd Fella:
"Well, some people might have had the original hardware, which they sold or ceased to work, and so they would love to have it back as software at least.

Not sure about Hz, but high-resonance sounds make more sense at some frequencies than others.
I know and like it mostly from songs like this one...”

To which you replied:
"Resonance isn't a particular sound, it is simply the emphasis of those frequencies around the cutoff. If you want to make a big, impactful bassline, why wouldn't you want the resonance emphasising that part of the frequency spectrum?"

So in this context of high resonance sounds, and I made two observations on this:
* the special case of high resonance called self oscillation is definitely a "particular sound”, and a very distinctive sound
* resonance pushes different parts of the sound into saturation in a non-linear filter - which is an observation extending and agreeing with what you said in the second half of your reply