Gforce Oberheim OB-X

[DrGonzo]

[zvenx]

Lol. One of the funniest kvr posts ever.

rsp

Andy Cytomic vs BONES

I cannot believe this is happening today on KVR. I need to stock up on popcorn.

An absolute filter genius vs … well … BONES

May the ladder filter be with you all

[perpetual3]

You are without question the most toxic person on KvR. You repeatedly use your own myopic personal taste and experiences to insult others AND to spread misinformation.

Non-linear analog and analog modelled filters when in self oscillation do not give you a sine wave alone. Each filter has a different harmonic character and tone of a distorted sine wave, ie a sine wave with a bunch of distinctive harmonics, each of which is another sine wave.

Still a sine wave, still pointless and boring. Honestly, how often is going to be actually useful? I've written hundreds of songs and never had a use for it yet. Moreover, I own tens of thousands of songs and can't think of any time I've heard it used at all. It's probably there in a few places, just nothing memorable or worthwhile.

You could say all sounds are just sine waves, but clearly this is misguided (ie sounds can be de-composed as a bunch of sine waves, but my guitar doesn't have a bunch of sine wave oscillators inside to make its sound).

If you look at all the different waveshapes we are happy to call "sawtooth", me calling a filter in self-oscillation a sine wave wouldn't cover any greater ground.

If you don't think self oscillating filters are useful then that is fine, but you said "Resonance isn't a particular sound" and it really is.

You're just playing semantics. Self-oscillation is an extreme case of resonance, miles away from the discussion we were having, if you'd bothered to f**king read it before wading in with something completely irrelevant to it. You have to read in context if you want your contributions to be in any way meaningful or useful.

[Uncle E]

Still a sine wave, still pointless and boring. Honestly, how often is going to be actually useful? I've written hundreds of songs and never had a use for it yet. Moreover, I own tens of thousands of songs and can't think of any time I've heard it used at all. It's probably there in a few places, just nothing memorable or worthwhile.

I can both make your point AND refute your point with a single song.

[Odd Fella]

Well, some people might have had the original hardware, which they sold or ceased to work, and so they would love to have it back as software at least.

So people unable to move on. Probably all sorts of other people with mental defects, too.

Not sure about Hz, but high-resonance sounds make more sense at some frequencies than others.

Resonance isn't a particular sound, it is simply the emphasis of those frequencies around the cutoff. If you want to make a big, impactful bassline, why wouldn't you want the resonance emphasising that part of the frequency spectrum?

I know and like it mostly from songs like this one

Is that a real song? It sounds like someone taking the piss.

It's a matter of taste. I am not saying that the ladder filter is ideal or anything. Since I hardly use any resonance, I don't care about that difference. If a ladder filter is good and used in a good synth, fine with me.

If you're not using any resonance, then of course it won't matter what filter you use but the behaviour of the resonance gives a filter a lot of its character, which makes it a very important part of what makes a synth good or bad.

Yeah, I know, we are all idiots...

Clearly. Interestingly, a big part of the reason I don't like Sylenth 1 is because you can't modulate the cutoff from zero to max from the mod matrix, unless you add it in twice.

Most people like the times when they were young, the stuff they had back then, the music they listened to etc. It is totally normal. I am an extreme case of that.

To me resonance is definitely a particular sound, it sounds nasal to me. Some analog synths have that character even when resonance is turned to zero. At least to my ears.
I never know what you mean by bass with a lot of resonance. Do you have an example?

Well, that "piss" is a classic song from the 70's.

Not sure what you mean. Sylenth1 has a very bright filter to begin with, compared to Diva's for instance. Do this: completely open the Diva and Sylenth1 filters, match key tracking, then turn down Sylenth1's brightness with the global cutoff offset control (not the layer one!) until it matches Diva.
Then, if you set up the same modulation on both, you will notice that the Sylenth1 filter also closes completely.
In fact, the Diva filter does not close completely. There is still a signal coming on low notes. Seems some sort of DC. Too low for me to hear, but the DAW meter doesn't lie.


(Please stop writing replies after individual sentences as long as you don't manage to quote correctly, it screws up the formatting.)

[Milos]

IMHO , SonicProjects OP-X PRO II is better...

Could you be more specific as to why you feel it's better? (In terms of sound quality, I mean, as that's what we're talking about here - forget things like presets, features, interface etc).

Is it the oscillators, the filter? Other features?
Or is it more of a "I didn't directly compare them, I just feel like the OP-X is generally better"-type thing?

I'll eat my words here.Gave it a second chance - disabled all fx and put lock on all 3 fx's . Now we are talking ... Then constructed patches from scratch - huge sweet spot !
Throwed in some UAD Lex 224 ,Studer and Replika XT and that's almost perfect OB-X sound from a plugin .
On OP-X Pro II you don't have that feeling- when you construct patch - you dont touch it further cause you gonna mess it up ...
Also ,that vintage knob is great (My feel is that is only for slight pitch detune and not ADSRs both VCF and VCA though ...)Great synth .
My first impression was bad cause of bad fx and browsing unison ala Access Virus patches ..
It still isn't quite there with the hardware OB-X or new OB-X8 but it's really really nice.
If Softube model 84 is like 99% Juno 106 ,this is 94-95 % and that is awesome !

[Odd Fella]

I have reset the demo timer, sorry Gforce, was too easy

[felis]

I have reset the demo timer, sorry Gforce, was too easy

I used the impOSCar demo for a long time, but finally broke down and got it.
Never reset a demo timer though.
The GForce stuff is most definitely worth buying.
Help support the team, so they can keep going.
Yes - I'm a fan boy.

[Odd Fella]

I have reset the demo timer, sorry Gforce, was too easy

I used the impOSCar demo for a long time, but finally broke down and got it.
Never reset a demo timer though.
The GForce stuff is most definitely worth buying.
Help support the team, so they can keep going.
Yes - I'm a fan boy.

Don't worry, I will not use the demo to make music or anything. I was just curious if it is possible to reset the timer...

[winkie00]

Bones is a dummy. He misconstrued my word investment in another thread as if it was financial, but is not intelligent enough to understand investment in terms of time, money, etc. He is a troll and serves himself and no other. Is why I did not reply at the time as his brain is tiny and in his mind he wins all arguments.

[BONES]

You are without question the most toxic person on KvR. You repeatedly use your own myopic personal taste and experiences to insult others AND to spread misinformation.

What misinformation? Do you think I don't fact-check before posting? Not everyone who disagrees with you is factually wrong (although, obviously, everyone who disagrees with me clearly is, because I fact-check).

I can both make your point AND refute your point with a single song.

I think it makes both my points more than adequately.

Most people like the times when they were young, the stuff they had back then, the music they listened to etc. It is totally normal. I am an extreme case of that.

I don't see that as reason to want to recreate it so precisely. I've got a repertoire of 60 or more 80s covers and I have felt no need at all to make them sound exactly like the originals. Quite the opposite, my aim is to try and make them sound even better, using modern synths and production techniques that weren't available at the time. Surely that's how a creative mind works?

To me resonance is definitely a particular sound, it sounds nasal to me.

It can sound nasal but it will sound different with different filter types and also depending on how you use it. As I said, it's what gives a filter its character. If it was a particular sound, then a lot of synths would sound lot more alike than they do.

I never know what you mean by bass with a lot of resonance. Do you have an example?

I'll make something and post it up separately.

Well, that "piss" is a classic song from the 70's.

I've never heard it before in my life. Haven't heard of the artist, either. It definitely has all the cliche elements of the era, though. It's very much not my thing, though, so any subtle differences will be completely lost on me.

Not sure what you mean. Sylenth1 has a very bright filter to begin with, compared to Diva's for instance.

I don't own either, although I have demo'd Sylenth 1 on several occasions. But try this - turn the cutoff up to maximum and listen to what you get. Now turn the cutoff all the way down to zero, then use the mod matrix to open it. Even at the maximum modulation value, the filter will not be open 100%. I find that annoying when I am trying to make a patch.

(Please stop writing replies after individual sentences as long as you don't manage to quote correctly, it screws up the formatting.)

The thing is, we're not the only people reading this, so it's easier to follow if we reply to individual parts of others' comments.

[Uncle E]

I can both make your point AND refute your point with a single song.

I think it makes both my points more than adequately.

You’ll get no arguments from me! I love it but that’s because I’m a cringe ex e-tard who looks back on 90’s raves like they were Woodstock.

[BONES]

I went to a rave once - possibly the most Dog-awful night out of my life. Every aspect of it was tedious and boring. I couldn't even get a f**king beer, FFS!

[DashOfLime]

You are without question the most toxic person on KvR. You repeatedly use your own myopic personal taste and experiences to insult others AND to spread misinformation.

Reported this turd. Hes been doing this crap for two decades here now. But here's how it works usually for BONES. He gets suspended, comes back and behaves for a bit, then goes back to the usual bullshit. Its beyond ridiculous.

[DrGonzo]

Hes been doing this crap for two decades here now. But here's how it works usually for BONES. He gets suspended, comes back and behaves for a bit, then goes back to the usual bullshit. Its beyond ridiculous.

If anyone else were to behave like Bones they would have been banned, blacklisted and rolled in tar & feathers a long time ago. I have stopped being annoyed with him. He's just a guy who don't know how to behave and respect others. I think I have a memory of a mod hinting about mental health in some thread years ago, and that might explain one or two things.

The interesting thing is that his opinions often have kernels of validity in them. If you manage to get past his Tourettes that is. I don't want him off KvR. I find it hilarious that he can get into a rage-fit when someone mentions they use a Mac. But the mods should be a bit more active, at least to make sure the atmosphere here is not getting toxic.